Who Amuricans Won't Vote For (or so they say)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Kanmuk_Sealclubber, May 17, 2019.

  1. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

    Kanmuk_Sealclubber Yes

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  2. Utumno

    Utumno Administrator Staff Member

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    The whole thing is depressing but the worst of all (to me) is the atheist one.

    I don't like being anti-religion, but shit like this makes me more anti-religion.

    Sorry but belief in your magical god-fairy should NOT have this much influence on how we are governed.
     
  3. Fais

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    Good to see the race numbers so low. Surprised a little by the Muslim number, would have thought it would be higher.
     
  4. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

    Kanmuk_Sealclubber Yes

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    Those race numbers (it talks about it in the article) are likely bullshit because it was a telephone interview and people aren't likely to tell a pollster they won't vote for a black guy over the phone. I think a lot of these are being undershot because of that.

    Conversely, being uncomfortable with a group in the aggregate is different than voting to elect an individual. For example, I think most countries would likely benefit from electing younger candidates and getting away from constantly putting in dinosaur candidates that are a generation or two behind science, education, technology and youth trends. But there is no way I would disqualify an individual based on age. People might not like the idea of voting for an atheist, but in a forced choice election might be perfectly willing to do it.
     
  5. Taelen

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    Through my experience in AA I found a fairly solid faith, something I'd struggled with my entire life. I've come to believe in God and the human capacity to have conscious contact with God, but I use the word God loosely, and I don't believe in the God that religions espouse. I believe our own spirituality and connection with whatever spirit ties us together shows us a clearer truth than any preacher or any book written by man can. Religion, to me, seems too often to lead to close mindedness, rush to judgement, and other things I would not consider spiritual or good. There is a reason our founders wrote the first amendment, and that it isn't the second or third amendment, but the first. I'm not anti-religion, I just think one should pick their religious guides carefully.

    The other stuff is disturbing too.... I look at all those criteria, and not one of them would preclude me from voting for someone with any of those characteristics. Although, honestly, I'd be leery of any politician that made a huge point of their religious background.
     
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  6. Velox

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    Americans should have the word "socialist" taken out of their vocabulary as it means completely different things for different people.
     
  7. Fais

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    I think the same goes for race. In a forced election, you would be suprised what people would vote for.
     
  8. Utumno

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    Yeah, and while we're at it, let's have a redo on "liberal" as well. Doesn't really matter though, the Fox-machine can probably demonize any term pretty easily.
     
  9. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

    Kanmuk_Sealclubber Yes

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    I think that's probably true. I think team politics supersedes a lot of prejudices.

    It may matter more in a crowded primary field like the Dems have, though, even if Dems are more accepting of diversity overall.
     
  10. Fais

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    I Just wonder about all this debate for the dem canidate. Seems to me, by the time the congress gets deep into any meaningful bill, it won't matter who is president.
     
  11. Sear

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    This x 1000.

    I don't think the majority of Americans even know what being "socialist" means. They just operate under the assumption that it's worse than being a pedophile.

    The right has done a wonderful job of turning that into a blasphemous label.
     
  12. Fais

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    Pretty hard to know where socialism starts and ends. Its a matter of resources in the end really at current population growth. Right now the science says we should revert to tribal scientific communities.
     
  13. TulionKT

    TulionKT Spamaton Will Rise Again

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    Just another reason why I'm not a fan of democracy.

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  14. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

    Kanmuk_Sealclubber Yes

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    Either socialism means something specific and Americans are largely wrong about what that something is *OR* it is a vague and fluid term that should therefore not be used to lazily dismiss someone wholesale.
     
  15. Sanlaven

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    From my experience being educated in American schools, we’re all pretty much raised to believe socialism=the enemy + evil, capitalism=good and righteous and this is reinforced through learning 20th century American history. I think this generalization is indoctrinated even more so than Christianity being the one true religion in our culture.
     
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  16. Utumno

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