Talking dog

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  1. AgelessDrifter

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    likes fetch and long walks on the beach

    https://people.com/pets/dog-learning-to-talk-by-using-a-custom-soundboard-to-speak-im-in-constant-amazement/

    Dog Learning to Talk By Using a Custom Soundboard to Speak: 'I'm in Constant Amazement'

    Stella the dog's owner, a speech-language pathologist, says the canine already knows 29 words and can form phrases

    Many dog parents already know their pets communicate with them, but what EXACTLY are they trying to say?

    A speech-language pathologist with an 18-month-old dog is working to find out, and she’s already discovered that her dog Stella can literally tell her things — like she’s tired after playing and now would like a nap, or that instead of playing at this moment she would prefer to eat, and that she would like to go outside, specifically to the park.

    It’s all possible through the use of an adaptive device Christina Hunger, 26, devised to help Stella communicate not only words but her thoughts and feelings too. When the Catahoula/Blue Heeler mix wants to “talk,” she steps on buttons corresponding with words Hunger recorded and programmed into the device.

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    And Stella is already putting her language skills to work. One day, the pup was whining at the front door and started pacing back and forth. Hunger assumed that she needed to go outside. Instead, Stella walked to her device and tapped out, “Want,” “Jake” “Come” then stood in front of the door until Hunger’s fiancé, Jake, came home a few minutes later and then Stella immediately pressed “Happy” and rolled over for a belly rub.


    “I’m in constant amazement and shock,” Hunger tells PEOPLE. “Every day she says something cooler than she said the day before.”

    Hunger, who works in San Diego with 1- and 2-year-old children, many of whom also use adaptive devices that help them communicate, began teaching Stella words when the canine was about 8 weeks old. The 50-pound dog now knows at least 29 words and can combine up to five words to make a phrase or sentence.

    The way she uses words to communicate and the words she’s combining is really similar to a 2-year-old child,” says Hunger, who documents Stella’s progress on her blog, Hunger For Words, and Instagram.

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    Hunger loves knowing Stella’s thoughts, and the dog seems pleased as well. When Stella first learned to communicate the word “walk,” she acted excited and used it repeatedly. “I didn’t realize how much she was waiting to say it,” Hunger says.

    Another favorite is “beach.” “She loves saying ‘beach.’ She was so happy and still says it very often.”

    Hunger plans to continue teaching Stella new words and wants to teach other dogs how to “speak” as well.

    “I think how important dogs are to their humans,” Hunger says. “I just imagine how much deeper the bond will be.”

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  2. Sanlaven

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    Was hoping for an "Epstein didn't kill himself" finisher
     
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  3. Agrul

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    feed it to the chinese before it's too late
     
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  5. Czer

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    Isn't this the same concept as dogs understand the meanings of different sounds, so we are just applying pavlov's law to the buttons.

    This seems like a combination of both that and just rote memorization of the placement.
     
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  7. Utumno

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    I want this for my dog so she could literally jam on the "feed me more" button all day long
     
  8. AgelessDrifter

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    Maybe, but I don't think it's obvious that it's just that, for a few reasons. First, because while it's intuitive that the fact that animals can comprehend certain words suggests that they are able to use them as opposed to just passively perceive them, I don't know of its having been demonstrated before, although it wouldn't surprise me if it has been. Second, and in particular, because although it's obvious that dogs do, say, "want" things all the time, it's not clear to me how (nor do I think it obvious that it should have been possible at all) you would teach a dog that to want its ball, to want a walk, to want food, to want its owner to come home, are all connected by the idea of "want" (also, that for a person to come home and for the dog to come to a person when called are connected by the idea of to "come" somewhere. It's hard for us to see it because these concepts are so natural to us, but there is abstraction there). If you showed me a dog that could press a different button when shown a ball than when shown a stick, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised or particularly impressed, but I think some of what's described here suggests something deeper than a trivial Pavlovian association between a stimulus and a behavior and vice versa.
     
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  9. Czer

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    well I meant two different things, one being that dogs can attribute specific sounds to specific rote memorization (this word means bring me the red bottle, this word means open the door to the cupboard etc) and this button is related to this rote thing, it's all rote at this point technically, and the pavlov being it would understand which button it would attribute preferential satisfaction like food/treats

    I don't know how you would teach an animal a rote function for happiness, that would require you to be able to measure that in the first place and I'm pretty sure that would win a lot of awards if possible
     
  10. Fais

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    They should teach him.

    I want to lick my balls.
    I want to sniff your ass.
     
  11. Sear

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    good one, Beavis
     
  12. Velox

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    Not to be a party pooper, but I doubt this would hold up under scientific scrutiny. It's not like she followed reasonable experiment protocols. How do we know the dog didn't just learn that to "press button X when Y happens", based on explicit or implicit rewards. Dogs are pretty good at reading facial cues in people, just the sight of enjoyment on their faces could be enough. I expect that you can train it to push a button to have its needs fulfilled (I want to go out / get fed / etc). They already often do this by going to the door / kitchen. However, stringing sentences together and communicating their feelings is another ballgame.
     
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  14. Agrul

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    dunno pal you were always pretty dog shit in eq and here you are communicating your feelings :dorkgrin:
     
  15. Agrul

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    man i cant even let that sit there for 10 seconds. i already feel bad i respect you as a person and an everquest necromancer velox & your thoughts about human dogs are reasonable and well-considered
     
  16. Velox

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    haha, Ags :smitten:

    Don't feel bad, Utumno needs some help to counterbalance the dog-eat-dog world of TZT. Maybe soon we'll be able to learn to communicate our feelings via custom soundboard.
     
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  19. AgelessDrifter

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    I can see this thread going places artistically
     
  20. ToKu

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    LOL I just noticed there is a report post button and I am sorely tempted to use it.