So Czer is ISIS really just a Saudi front created to mess w/Iran?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Utumno, Jun 14, 2014.

  1. Skars

    Skars I never troll

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    i was right then, and i am right now, it is you who has changed.
     
  2. Skars

    Skars I never troll

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    can you elaborate on this and what you mean
     
  3. Velox

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    Finally some action. *popcorn*
     
  4. Fais

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    They killed Dogan Alp! Three days of mourning!
     
  5. Bailon

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    I can barely understand what is going on.
     
  6. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    Boris Johnson just noped the UK out of helping the US against Iran and France, Russia, China condemned the US.
     
  7. Red

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    Big Donnie making plays yawl
     
  8. Red

    Red TZT Neckbeard

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    But muh stock market

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  9. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    At least some of trumps family knew of the strike before the gang of eight


    We are going to have nuremberg trials
     
  10. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    It's worth pointing out how incredibly unpopular a hypothetical war with Iran is:

    • US Adults: 18 support, 78 oppose
    • Republicans/Leans: 25 support, 72 oppose
    • Democrats/Leans: 11 support, 86 oppose
    To compare, in 2003, before the invasion, a war with Iraq was sitting in the 50-60 range
     
  11. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    New Quds force general chosen, named Ismail, and stated in his first speech to be patient for revenge deaths
     
  12. Velox

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    I'm not convinced Iran would actually escalate to formal war though, conventional warfare would be their worst match-up and that would also make it more difficult for Russia to support them (Putin does not want to start WW3 either). More likely they will use proxies or guerilla tactics. This gives Trump the leeway to frame it as a mere regional instability / terrorist attacks. Trump doesn't need to win, he just has to avoid losing so badly that even Fox News can't spin it. Trading blows with Iran could even help him.
     
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  13. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    No, you're vastly overestimating the ability of the US to maintain the logistics needed
     
  14. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    The international embargo on weapons trade with Iran ends this year and both Russia and China have balked at the US on re implementing

    Russia has implied they would be willing to sell their hypersonic missile system
     
  15. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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  16. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    US just designated all major shia parties in Iraq terrorists including elected officials, which is the overwhelming population
     
  17. Velox

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    If Iran would end up being in a position to seriously threaten the US with hypersonic nukes (assuming they actually work), there is a not insignificant chance that Trump will pre-emptively nuke Iran first. I'm not sure anybody wants to go there, that would be even riskier than formal war.

    Regarding logistics, that is assuming the US actually wants to invade or even win. I'm pretty sure the US could just hang back and bomb stuff at a pace of their choosing. Iran would have to attack land targets to try to embroil the US in a land struggle, and Iraq alone probably won't be enough for that to happen. I could see Trump ceding Iraq and just being content to lob conventional bombs at Iran.
     
  18. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    No, their missiles can reach all logistics points within MENA

    You have very little understanding of the tech on both sides so stop assuming

    No ship would be able to operate without being in range of the counter missile systems, period.
     
  19. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    Heres what will happen, we are headed home after an embarassment ensues
     
  20. Sear

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    just retweeting the president



     
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