So Czer is ISIS really just a Saudi front created to mess w/Iran?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Utumno, Jun 14, 2014.

  1. Utumno

    Utumno Administrator Staff Member

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    Because it seems a stretch to think that a group of aggro dudes managed to knock the shit out of the entire Iraq military in such short order.

    Not that the Iraq military is much to speak of after the US dismantling them and ensuing shitfests afterwards but still.


    I'm adding a cheatsheet below just so I can keep track of all the players
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    • ISIS/ISIL - I'm sure these need no introduction
    • SAA - official Syran Army of Assad (no that's not what it actually stands for, fuck off)
    • SDF - Syrian Democratic Forces, the rebel alliance (not not rly). Bunch of Kurds/Arabs/Misc who generally oppose Assad and ISIS and are backed by US. Also known as QSD because reasons.
    • YPG - Peoples Protection Units, strongest part of SDF composed mainly of Kurds and one of the only US-backed groups that doesn't turn around and flee at the first sign of trouble
    • PKK - Kurdistan Workers Party, Kurdish comrades who rly don't like Erdogan and occasionally blow shit up in Turkey. Want independence and are pretty pissed lately since cease-fire fell apart. Erdogan rly doesn't like these dudes, and also considers YPG and PKK to be joined at the hip (unsure if true).
    • FSA - Free Syrian Army, pretty sure this was a pipe dream "moderate" group and doesn't rly exist anymore and has been succeeded by the SDF (the only bits which managed to stay together)
    • Al Nusra Front - I think of them as the AlQaeda players in the region, who obviously hate the western powers but I think don't always get along with ISIS (there was a merger at one point but key terrorist stockholders blocked it)
    • HTS - Tahir al-Sham, basically AlQaeda in Syra (oh wait but I thought that was Al Nusra!). Yeah it was but these stupid fuckers all need their own little group and keep merging and spinning off like they are corporations and like to rename their shit just to make sure it is really confusing.
    • Hezbolla - Very seasoned Lebanese fighting group, great chums with Israel (lol no). Iran likes them and supports them (per Czer, Iran actually started this shit from the beginning)
    • Other Shia Militias - Random group of hairy killers backed by Iran. I kindof think of them as Iran's Zerg forces.
    • Turkish Militia group - there may be some acronym(s) for this shit, but I'm not sure what they are. I keep hearing about them and always imagine a bunch of Erdogan funded thugs doing whatever they can to kill Kurds wherever possible because why not. (Czer reports these groups are referred to as Euphrates Shield, as in Shield that Kills Kurds lol)
    • Israel - don't fuck with the Protoss
    • Russia - Putin has Assad's back. And Iran's. And anyone else who can make the US look bad. Well except Isis/AlQaeda/Chechens and other crazies who hate them just as much as they hate the western powers.
    • Saudi Arabia - I'm too tired to go into this. Fuck SA.
    • Qatar - We got gas! (lol pwned)
    • Yemen - Houthis vs govt. A mess. Wants to make sure Syria isn't the only place where thousands of ppl are dying in conflict.
     
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  2. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    There are hardly any troops in places like Eastern Syria and Western Iraq. These guys have taken Sunni Majority cities, that's why there is so little resistance.

    Ayatollah Sistani called up the militias. These guys are going to be out matched as soon as the Mahdi army and Badr brigade come back, not to mention they are suffering terrible defeats in Syria against the SAA/NDF and Hezbollah. Kurdish Peshmerga have completely stopped them from advancing in northern Iraq.

    I could make a lengthy post explaining what I believe will happen, but I can tell you right now this is going to end up hurting the Sunni's influence in general and really destroying any kind of remaining Arab cohesion. These groups attack all minorities, not just the Shia. This is why groups like the Alawites/Druze/Christians all side with Shia organizations. As soon as these groups get put down the Shia militias will become a permanent part of the area in the same format as Lebanon and they will no longer just melt into political parties. You're watching the last remnants of Saudi/Qatar influence ebb out of the northern middle east in a burst of fear driven aggression.

    Syria and Iraq are going to not only be in Irans sphere of influence, but beholden to them out of the help they received.
     
  3. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    ISIS called for the destruction of all Shia shrines, so all that needs to happen is a Grand Ayatollah call for the Holy Defense and this will be done and over. I want to point out that the Iraqi Ayatollah calling for their followers to fight is not the same thing. If they call for a fatwa defense, they will immediately get a couple hundred thousand soldiers from all over the Shia countries.
     
  4. Ziakas

    Ziakas hi

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    These are the same guys we were paying in Syria to fight Assad, as well as the ones we paid off to stop their insurgency so we could exit Iraq in relative peace. So yeah, that worked well. Now we're on the same side as Iran by helping the Shi'a of Iraq but against Iran by fighting them in Syria still. I don't think Obama has any idea what he's doing.
     
  5. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    Neither did Bush, clearing up Iran's two main enemies. Iraq was the fuck up, no reason to attack and the two options were enable al qaeda or make Iran much stronger. I want to know what people were saying in those projection meetings about consequences of actions and how they came to their decisions.

    Here's a great Tony Blair article from today.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27852832

    Writing on his website, he said the violence was the "predictable and malign effect" of inaction in Syria.

    "We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that 'we' have caused this," he wrote. "We haven't."

    He said the idea that the current crisis was a result of the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003 was "bizarre".


    lol what?

    This here is going to be the ultimate consequence for the Sunnis

    (Washington institute is AIPAC related, but it's still an accurate article)http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/iranian-proxies-step-up-their-role-in-iraq#.U5sxcKnGtrk.twitter
     
  6. Samassi Abou

    Samassi Abou TZT Abuser

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    Ziakas in clueless posting shocker.
     
  7. Utumno

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    will be interesting to see if this bears out, not the result i was expecting
     
  8. Ziakas

    Ziakas hi

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    It's too bad there is oil there, otherwise they could just kill each other without anyone having to actually care, like Africa.
     
  9. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    They don't kill enough of each other to negate their ridiculously high birthrates, so it doesn't matter.
     
  10. Ziakas

    Ziakas hi

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    Not yet.
     
  11. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    I can't comprehend your ability to do math is that bad, when you're in a company meeting are you one of those people who writes basic numbers down to understand what is being talked about.
     
  12. Ziakas

    Ziakas hi

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    You miss my point, there are more efficient ways to kill Arabs that have yet to be employed.
     
  13. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    We could convince them to import toxic Chinese goods.
     
  14. Ziakas

    Ziakas hi

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    NSFW:dead people
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    Supposedly the Sunnis killed 1700 government soldiers in Tikrit in a mass execution. Fun times in Iraq.
     
  15. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    They are rounding up the minorities. When ISIS is gone I doubt they are going to let Anbar stick around, that entire region is going to be sacked. A lot of revenge is going to come to those people too because of this.
     
  16. Sear

    Sear TZT Neckbeard Lord

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    Trying to follow all of the various religious and political sects in the middle east makes my fucking head hurt.

    I'll just assume that I'm supposed to hate ISIS and that they are a dire threat to the bald eagle holding a bible American version of Iraq.

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  17. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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  18. Ziakas

    Ziakas hi

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  19. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    Saudi Arabia
     
  20. Ziakas

    Ziakas hi

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    Why is psycho sh'ite guy in Saudi Arabia? Do Shi'a do that Hajj thing to?