quora post from inside quarantined wuhan

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  1. AgelessDrifter

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  3. Vlaara

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    apologies if I missed any TZT doctors
     
  4. Samassi Abou

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    “G” hasn’t just dominated the outbreak in Chicago — it has taken over the world. Now scientists are racing to figure out what it means.

    At least four laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although none of that work has been peer-reviewed. Another unpublished study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.“


    https://tallonzektimes.org/bb/index...-from-inside-quarantined-wuhan.59242/page-318
     
  5. Fais

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    OH its definitely going to mutate over time. And once in humans its going to evolve towards things that favor its reproduction statistically. But MRNA ole Moderna mRNA vaccine. I keep telling you guys. But some of you have your heads stuck so far up your ass you don't listen. Who fucking cares if you don't like me. Some of you haven't stopped acting like a bunch of pussies. You got Kanmuck over there on his high horse all the time. He thinks your so dumb he had to spell out something you learned in EQ. At the speed of research in this field right now. There might be a lot less disease in 10 & 20 years. Please do yourself a favor and buy an stock/option your Mommas ass, in MRNA. This defiantly wasn't targeted at Samassi. You just don't understand me all the time and thats cool.
     
  6. Samassi Abou

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    I wish you luck with that punt, but betting on which company will get the vaccine first, assuming any of them get it, and assuming a bunch don't all get one at the same time, is too much like gambling for my tastes. A lot of optimism about winning the race for the vaccine is probably already priced in. I thought about cashing out of stocks, but I'll just wait for the second stock crash and pick up some of the Oz mining companies that will be feeding the Chinese stimulus, Belt & Road etc.
     
  7. Grandasaur Egg

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    > I thought about cashing out of stocks, but I'll just wait for the second stock crash and pick up some of the Oz mining companies that will be feeding the Chinese stimulus, Belt & Road etc.

    I'm going insane thinking about selling everything I have and buying back in. It seems like the obvious move, but mother fuck this nonsense.
     
  8. Arogarn

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    Do you guys have any tips for preventing your silk socks from slipping on polished marble floors?
     
  9. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    I don't know what you're upset about friend, but I don't hate you at all. Nor do I think this characterization that you never look at evidence is fair.

    Just for you, I bought some Moderna. Now we can hope this company that is already at a $25bn market cap turns into Pfizer off of one vaccine together.
     
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  10. Agrul

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    what EQ thing did kanschmuck spell out
     
  11. Agrul

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    was it how speed of wolf works
     
  12. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    I think he means the compounding effects in the police thread.

    But I wrote that out mostly to get a response from you/Velox, both of whom know more math than me. It has nothing to do with thinking anyone is dumb.
     
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    Fox News.JPG

    Add Europe to the list of communities that are biased against Trump and want him to FAIL.
     
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  15. Agrul

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    makes ya wonder if they were ever really our allies in the 1st place
     
  16. Czer

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    Fauci: US ‘going in wrong direction’ in coronavirus outbreak
    6/30/2020

    https://apnews.com/8e2b3b7ca3bb2475b9ae901dad4e09ee

    The U.S. is “going in the wrong direction” with the coronavirus surging badly enough that Dr. Anthony Fauci told senators Tuesday some regions are putting the entire country at risk — just as schools and colleges are wrestling with how to safely reopen.

    With about 40,000 new cases being reported a day, Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, said he “would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day if this does not turn around.”

    “I am very concerned,” he told a hearing of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee.

    Infections are rising rapidly mostly in parts of the West and South, and Fauci and other public health experts said Americans everywhere will have to start following key recommendations if they want to get back to more normal activities like going to school.

    “We’ve got to get the message out that we are all in this together,” by wearing masks in public and keeping out of crowds, said Fauci, infectious disease chief at the National Institutes of Health.

    Connect the dots, he told senators: When and how school buildings can reopen will vary depending on how widely the coronavirus is spreading locally.

    “I feel very strongly we need to do whatever we can to get the children back to school,” he said.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention plans more guidelines for local school systems, Director Robert Redfield said.

    But in recommendations for colleges released Tuesday, the agency said it won’t recommend entry testing for all returning students, faculty and staff. It’s not clear if that kind of broad-stroke testing would reduce spread of the coronavirus, CDC concluded. Instead, it urged colleges to focus on containing outbreaks and exposures as students return.

    Lawmakers also pressed for what Sen. Patty Murray of Washington, the committee’s top Democrat, called a national vaccine plan — to be sure the race for the COVID-19 vaccine ends with shots that really are safe, truly protect and are available to all Americans who want, one.

    “We can’t take for granted this process will be free of political influence,” Murray said. She cited how President Donald Trump promoted a malaria drug as a COVID-19 treatment that ultimately was found to be risky and ineffective.

    The Food and Drug Administration released guidelines Tuesday saying any vaccine that wins approval will have to be at 50% more effective than a dummy shot in the final, required testing. That’s less effective than many of today’s vaccines but independent experts say that would be a good start against the virus.

    FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn said vaccine makers also must test their shots in diverse populations, including minorities, the elderly, pregnant women and those with chronic health problems.

    “We will not cut corners in our decision-making,” Hahn told senators.

    About 15 vaccine candidates are in various stages of human testing worldwide but the largest studies -- including 30,000 people each -- needed to prove if a shot really protects are set to begin in July. First up is expected to be a vaccine created by the NIH and Moderna Inc., followed closely by an Oxford University candidate.

    At the same time, the Trump administration’s “Operation Warp Speed” aims to stockpile hundreds of millions of doses by year’s end, so they could rapidly start vaccinations if and when one is proven to work.

    Redfield said the CDC already is planning how to prioritize who is first in line for the scarce first doses and how they’ll be distributed.

    But a vaccine is at the very least many months away. For now, the committee’s leading Republican stressed wearing a mask -- and said Trump, who notoriously shuns them, needs to start because politics is getting in the way of protecting the American people.

    “The stakes are too high for the political debate about pro-Trump, anti-Trump masks to continue,” said Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, who chaired Tuesday’s hearing.

    Alexander said he had to self-quarantine after a staff member tested positive for the virus but that he personally was protected because his staffer was wearing a mask.

    “The president has plenty of admirers. They would follow his lead,” Alexander said. “The stakes are too high” to continue that fight.
     
  17. Czer

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    Fauci says US death toll 'going to be very disturbing' and fears 100,000 daily cases
    30 Jun 2020

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/coronavirus-fauci-senate-states-reverse-reopening
    • Infectious disease expert says US ‘going in the wrong direction’
    • ‘I’m very concerned. I’m not satisfied with what’s going on’
    The top US infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci said the country could see 100,000 new coronavirus cases daily unless action is taken to reverse the epidemic.

    Appearing before the Senate health, education, labor and pensions committee on Tuesday, Fauci warned that the US is “going in the wrong direction” over handling the coronavirus, and said the death toll “is going to be very disturbing”.

    He appeared a day after the White House insisted the outbreak had been reduced to “embers” but the principal deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr Anne Schuchat, insisted: “This is really the beginning.”

    Speaking on Capitol Hill, Fauci was asked about the increase in new cases of coronavirus – the US last week reported 40,000 in one day – and whether the pandemic was under control.

    “The numbers speak for themselves,” he said. “I’m very concerned, I’m not satisfied with what’s going on, because we’re going in the wrong direction.

    “Clearly we’re not in total control.”

    Fauci said that without a more robust response, the daily number of cases could more than double.

    “I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day if this does not turn around,” he said.

    Fauci said he could not provide an estimated death toll, but said: “It is going to be very disturbing, I guarantee you that.”

    The stark warning came after Schuchat told the Journal of the American Medical Association: “What we hope is that we can take it seriously and slow the transmission. We have way too much virus across the country for that right now, so it’s very discouraging.”

    She added that there was “a lot of wishful thinking around the country” that the pandemic would be over by the summer.

    “We are not even beginning to be over this,” Schuchat said. “There are a lot of worrisome factors about the last week or so.

    “We’re not in the situation of New Zealand or Singapore or Korea, where a new case is rapidly identified and all the contacts are traced, and people are isolated who are sick, and people who are exposed are quarantined and they can keep things under control.”

    Testifying before the Senate committee, Fauci said he was “quite concerned about what we are seeing evolve right now in several states” which had moved quickly in attempts to return to normal.

    “They need to follow the guidelines that have been very carefully laid out with regard to [reopening] checkpoints. What we’ve seen in several states are different iterations of that, perhaps maybe in some, they’re going too quickly and skipping over some.”

    The US represents 4% of the world’s population, but accounts for 25% of all cases and deaths from Covid-19. The US has recorded more than 2.5m cases, with some states seeing record rises.

    On Monday, the governor of Arizona ordered bars, movie theaters, gyms and water parks to shut down for a month, weeks after reopening. Texas, Florida and California, all seeing rises in cases, have rolled back reopening efforts. Oregon and Kansas have ordered people to wear masks in public.

    Responding to widely shared images of people not following guidelines – including not wearing a mask and gathering in large groups – Fauci said better messaging was required.

    “What we saw were a lot of people who maybe felt because they think they are invulnerable – and we know many young people are not because they’re getting serious disease – that therefore their getting infected has nothing to do with anyone else,” he said.

    “When in fact it does, because if a person gets infected they may not be symptomatic but they could pass it to someone else, who passes it to someone else, who then makes someone’s grandmother, grandfather, sick uncle or leukaemic child on chemotherapy, get sick and die.”

    Fauci said: “We’ve got to get that message out that we are all in this together and if we’re going to contain this, we’ve gotta contain it together.”

    New daily cases are rising in 38 states, according to NPR’s pandemic tracker, but the White House continues its attempts to downplay the severity of Covid-19. At a briefing on Monday, press secretary Kayleigh McEnany ignored the surge.

    “The people who are being infected tend to be those – as Vice-President Pence has noted – half of those testing positive are under the age of 35. This means we’re catching people in their communities,” she said.

    She added: “We’re aware that there are embers that need to be put out.”

    Fauci said on Sunday the US was unlikely to achieve herd immunity to the coronavirus even with a vaccine, given a third of Americans say they would not receive it.

    “There is a general anti-science, anti-authority, anti-vaccine feeling among some people in this country – an alarmingly large percentage of people, relatively speaking,” Fauci said, adding that the government has “a lot of work to do” to educate people about vaccines.

    Even states where the rate of new infections has decreased are rethinking plans to allow businesses to reopen. New Jersey has postponed plans to allow indoor dining, while the governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, said he may reverse plans to allow restaurants and bars to reopen.

    Broadway theaters will remain closed until January 2021, an industry group said on Monday. Theaters had planned to reopen in September.

    People in the US are expected to be barred from non-essential travel to the EU when it releases a “safe list” of countries on Tuesday. Russia and Brazil, each experiencing rising coronavirus cases, are among the other countries to be excluded from the list.
     
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    Fake News Fauci
     
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    America, the leper colony of the world.
     
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    US buys up world stock of key Covid-19 drug
    No other country will be able to buy remdesivir, which can help recovery from Covid-19, for next three months at least
    30 Jun 2020

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug

    The US has bought up virtually all the stocks for the next three months of one of the two drugs proven to work against Covid-19, leaving none for the UK, Europe or most of the rest of the world.

    Experts and campaigners are alarmed both by the US unilateral action on remdesivir and the wider implications, for instance in the event of a vaccine becoming available. The Trump administration has already shown that it is prepared to outbid and outmanoeuvre all other countries to secure the medical supplies it needs for the US.

    “They’ve got access to most of the drug supply [of remdesivir], so there’s nothing for Europe,” said Dr Andrew Hill, senior visiting research fellow at Liverpool University.

    Remdesivir, the first drug approved by licensing authorities in the US to treat Covid-19, is made by Gilead and has been shown to help people recover faster from the disease. The first 140,000 doses, supplied to drug trials around the world, have been used up. The Trump administration has now bought more than 500,000 doses, which is all of Gilead’s production for July and 90% of August and September.

    “President Trump has struck an amazing deal to ensure Americans have access to the first authorised therapeutic for Covid-19,” said the US health and human services secretary, Alex Azar. “To the extent possible, we want to ensure that any American patient who needs remdesivir can get it. The Trump administration is doing everything in our power to learn more about life-saving therapeutics for Covid-19 and secure access to these options for the American people.”

    The drug, which was invented for Ebola but failed to work, is under patent to Gilead, which means no other company in wealthy countries can make it. The cost is around $3,200 per treatment of six doses, according to the US government statement.

    The deal was announced as it became clear that the pandemic in the US is spiralling out of control. Anthony Fauci, the country’s leading public health expert and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the Senate the US was sliding backwards.

    “We are going in the wrong direction,” said Fauci. Last week the US saw a new daily record of 40,000 new coronavirus cases in one day. “I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day if this does not turn around,” he said. He could not provide an estimated death toll, but said: “It is going to be very disturbing, I guarantee you that.”

    The US has recorded more than 2.5 million confirmed cases of Covid-19. Some states lifted restrictions only to have to clamp down again. On Monday, the governor of Arizona ordered bars, cinemas, gyms and water parks to shut down for a month, weeks after they reopened. Texas, Florida and California, all seeing rises in cases, have also reimposed restrictions.

    Buying up the world’s supply of remdesivir is not just a reaction to the increasing spread and death toll. The US has taken an “America first” attitude throughout the global pandemic.

    In May, French manufacturer Sanofi said the US would get first access to its Covid vaccine if it works. Its CEO, Paul Hudson, was quoted as saying: “The US government has the right to the largest pre-order because it’s invested in taking the risk,” and, he added, the US expected that “if we’ve helped you manufacture the doses at risk, we expect to get the doses first”. Later it backtracked under pressure from the French government.

    Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau warned there could be unintended negative consequences if the US continued to outbid its allies. “We know it is in both of our interests to work collaboratively and cooperatively to keep our citizens safe,” he said. The Trump administration has also invoked the Defense Production Act to block some medical goods made in the US from being sent abroad.

    Nothing looks likely to prevent the US cornering the market in remdesivir, however. “This is the first major approved drug, and where is the mechanism for access?” said Dr Hill. “Once again we’re at the back of the queue.”

    The drug has been watched eagerly for the last five months, said Hill, yet there was no mechanism to ensure a supply outside the US. “Imagine this was a vaccine,” he said. “That would be a firestorm. But perhaps this is a taste of things to come.”

    Remdesivir would get people out of hospital more quickly, reducing the burden on the NHS, and might improve survival, said Hill, although that has not yet been shown in trials, as it has with the other successful treatment, the steroid dexamethasone. There has been no attempt to buy up the world’s stocks of dexamethasone because there is no need – the drug is 60 years old, cheap and easily available everywhere.

    Hill said there was a way for the UK to secure supplies of this and other drugs during the pandemic, through what is known as a compulsory licence, which overrides the intellectual property rights of the company. That would allow the UK government to buy from generic companies in Bangladesh or India, where Gilead’s patent is not recognised.

    The UK has always upheld patents, backing the argument of pharma companies that they need their 20-year monopoly to recoup the money they put into research and development. But other countries have shown an interest in compulsory licensing. “It is a question of what countries are prepared to do if this becomes a problem,” said Hill.