Police Brutality, White Supremacy MEGATHREAD

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  1. Agrul

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    Is there any legislation w/ a decent chance of passing that includes reparations in the US? I have not seen it in the national/int'l news circuit for a while before this UN thing
     
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    No idea. I suspect it's not very popular in general? I expect the UN report will help with liberals and damage prospects with the other half.
     
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    To be clear, I think achieving fairness for rly old events is impossible, but something could be done to even out racial disparities. Jim Crow and other more recent injustices might be dealt with more directly.
     
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    sLaVerY wAs So lOng AgO

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    150+ years is a pretty long time ago, but I always think of segregation as nearly an equally important yardstick, and was much more recent. And, well, even if it had all been a really long time ago, the US has done some pretty atrocious things to, uh, most of its new immigrant populations at one point or another, but none of those really approach the systematic enslavement and discriminatory education of an entire racial group (treatment of American Indians - tho obviously not 'immigrants' - maybe comes close actually, albeit in very different ways, & with the subsequent history since then being more complicated, gov't-to-gov't relationships etc; the drop-off after that seems much larger). Significant reparations seem appropriate as a gesture of good will & taking that dark past seriously.

    It looks like meaningful reparations are politically very unlikely to succeed, though, at least for another 20-40 years. Younger age groups seem much more favorable towards them.

    Leaving the symbolism of it aside, the most important problem they probably could/would address (if paid in substantial amounts) is the massive disparity in accumulated familial wealth (in both financial assets and homes; the disparity is something like 10-20x, depending on how & what exactly you measure) between African-American and white non-hispanic populations. A policy of explicitly subsidizing wealth-building for low-wealth groups could meet that same major need, and help other groups in need at the same time (Hispanics are about the same -- maybe a bit worse, even -- as African-Americans in avg & median wealth, and obviously there are very wealth-poor families outside of those groups too, when no longer looking at demographic-group medians). Probably would also be quite popular once something achieving it reasonably were implemented, as seems to be the case with most major, useful social programs.

    This familial wealth channel also seems to me like one of the most important mechanisms through which the aggressively overt racism of 50-400 years ago still exerts major influences on the opportunities available to people today. Life's a lot easier when your parents and grandparents can help pay off your student loans, provide a backstop in case your life goes to shit, help with a down payment on a house, provide explicit inheritance on death, cover family meals regularly as a kind of informal wealth transfer, etc. Whole lot more of that goes on in families with significant assets built up over generations (and less of the opposite: kids instead using their incomes to help parents), and you don't need to appeal to widespread implicit or explicit discrimination for this to be a massively important way in which slavery/segregation still unfairly & severely constrain the opportunities available to African-Americans.

    This is essentially the argument made by this book (which I started reading back in the middle of the Floyd protests), which I rather like (in significant part b/c it's been so bizarrely rare until very recently to see economists or sociologists take the study of wealth (rather than income) seriously, even though this is/should be obviously an enormous part of their discipline). His causal analysis is kind've superficial and seems to assume the reader is quite credulous, but I don't think you really need a careful quasi-experiment in this case. The magnitude of the disparity in wealth sort of speaks for itself.
     
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    https://www.vice.com/en/article/5db...ed-sheriffs-deputy?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

    A Teen Was Having Car Trouble. A Sheriff’s Deputy Shot and Killed Him.
    The 17-year-old was putting a jug of antifreeze behind the back tire so his vehicle wouldn't roll into the officer's car, according to his family.
    By Emma Ockerman
    June 28, 2021, 10:56am

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    During a traffic stop last week, an Arkansas sheriff’s deputy shot and killed a teenage boy who was only armed with a neon-blue jug of antifreeze, family members told VICE News.

    Lonoke County Sheriff’s Office Sgt. Michael Davis stopped 17-year-old Hunter Brittain near Cabot, Arkansas, at about 3 a.m. last Wednesday, and it’s still unclear why. Hunter had been having trouble with his truck when Davis pulled in behind him outside of a local auto repair shop and flashed his emergency lights, according to the account of a 16-year-old riding with Hunter at the time. When Hunter went to put the antifreeze behind his back tire so his vehicle wouldn’t roll into the officer’s, Davis allegedly fired at him.

    “Before he could get there, he was shot in the neck,” Hunter’s uncle, Jesse Brittain, told VICE News. “We can’t begin to understand why he would take a shot at that boy.”
     
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    so to summarize, Texas no teaching civil rights, no race, no women's suffrage, no native American teachings. Please I dare someone to argue its not white supremacist now.
     
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    define white supremacist :oldsmile::dorkgrin:
     
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    tulalip reservation:

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    I'd like to think most white folks would rather be rid of these types. I think they would
     
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    Texas: Add remove teaching of KKK
     
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    I tried watching that but the level of smugness and the onslaught of bad jokes are just intolerable. It seems like the same kind of infotainment as SNL or Watters or whatever his name is. I would have to triple validate anything this guy claims.
     
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    No need to look into claims, this is an admitted truth


    You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

    Harvey LeRoy "Lee" Atwater (February 27, 1951 – March 29, 1991) was an American political consultant and strategist for the Republican Party. He was an adviser to US presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush and chairman of the Republican National Committee. Atwater aroused controversy through his aggressive campaign tactics, especially the Southern strategy.
     
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    yeah, i cant stand that guy. watching 52 minutes of his schtick sounds like hell

    some ppl certainly advocated for austerity to hurt black people. how much of it can be attributed to that today vs a naive belief that the macroeconomy behaves like a household or that being rich is fundamentally a worthy thing that makes you by defn a good person vs institutional capture of especially the GOP by a specific subset of venal wealthy donors is hard to pick apart tho