Odds that Tesla survives as an independent company under BIG MUSK?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Utumno, Jan 21, 2019.

  1. Grandasaur Egg

    Grandasaur Egg Groor.

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    google will be selling it to them and keeping their tax moneys they earned off of you offshore
     
  2. Utumno

    Utumno Administrator Staff Member

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    Okay Czer.

    (you right though tbh)
     
  3. AgelessDrifter

    AgelessDrifter TZT Neckbeard Lord

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  4. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    i made friends with rich LA ktown people who own houses in gangnam korea, and some rich chinese

    so that's the route i've decided my life needs to take
     
  5. Utumno

    Utumno Administrator Staff Member

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    I forsee a lot more lambos in Czer's future
     
  6. Sanaleb

    Sanaleb TZT Addict

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  7. Utumno

    Utumno Administrator Staff Member

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    Even though I started this thread I still read it wrong just now after a quick glance and wondered what the "Odds that Tesia survives as an independant" post.
     
  8. Kilinitic

    Kilinitic 6,000 feet beyond man and time

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  9. Grandasaur Egg

    Grandasaur Egg Groor.

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    Tesla big time headed towards the shitter
     
  10. Red

    Red TZT Neckbeard

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    Big Elon
     
  11. Velox

    Velox TZT Abuser

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    Tesla has a very slick minimalist experience with an integrated charger network. Competitors still seem some ways off, so if they just focused on high end models while getting battery costs down, it should be hard to fail.

    That is not how Musk rolls though, he wants everything. The focus on 30k models and autonomy are both huge gambles, which he has yet to deliver on.
     
  12. Grandasaur Egg

    Grandasaur Egg Groor.

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    He won’t be delivering anything but more techno fantasy bullshit to try to drum up sales and investment for his failing company. His grift is up.
     
  13. Sanlaven

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    Sell short while you still can pals, this is a better deal than LINK
     
  14. Red

    Red TZT Neckbeard

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    Praise Elon for these gains
     
  15. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    Conservatives destroyed the tax credits for tesla stating they were benefiting the rich.

    This is the same pattern corporations did to California infrastructure.

    “The American Energy Alliance has organized a coalition to proclaim in one unified voice that there should be no expansion of the misguided electric vehicle tax credit,” Pyle wrote in a statement. “There is no question that the electric vehicle tax credit distorts the auto market to no gain.”

    https://ballotpedia.org/American_Energy_Alliance

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    The American Energy Alliance (AEA) is the “advocacy arm” of the Institute for Energy Research, and describes itself as a “not-for-profit organization that engages in grassroots public policy advocacy and debate concerning energy and environmental policies.”

    Though Charles Drevna told DeSmog’s Sharon Kelly that IER was not involved with Fueling U.S. Forward, it should be noted that Drevna developed the campaign while serving as a Distinguish Senior Fellow for IER, and thus the recent work and histories of IER and AEA provide valuable background.

    The American Energy Alliance is a 501(c)(4) not-for-profit organization founded in May, 2008. It is the advocacy arm of the 501(c)(3) nonprofit Institute for Energy Research (IER). According to its website, the AEA “engages in grassroots public policy advocacy and debate concerning energy and environmental policies.”

    Thomas Pyle, a former Koch and oil-industry lobbyist, is the President of both IER and the American Energy Alliance.

    While the stated aim of the AEA is to “educate and mobilize citizens in understanding, promoting and helping to solve America’s most pressing energy and environmental policy problems,” this education has taken the form of attack ads against political candidates and messages such as “stand with coal” and “vote no on Obama’s failing energy policy.” This has led to some questions on the validity of the AEA‘s nonprofit status, especially given the AEA‘s own statement that their group is “not political.”

    AEA has spent millions of dollars on media advertising through Republican-orientated vendor Mentzer Media for its stated nonpartisan activities.

    The American Energy Alliance has advocated against electric vehicles, arguing that EVs don’t have any environmental benefits and that government shouldn’t be “picking winners,” as in this blog post from 2012:

    We don’t know what the efficient vehicle will be 20 years down the road. Perhaps at that point, most new cars really will be electric or hybrids. Yet we ostensibly live in a free society with a market economy. Government officials aren’t supposed to make these choices for us; let consumers spend their money without being influenced through the tax code or direct subsidies. Finally, if consumers are basing their decisions partly on feelings of saving the planet, they should do some research first to make sure their actions really are helping.

    The American Energy Alliance and the Koch Brothers
    Greenpeace reports that IER and AEA worked together on a $3.6 million anti-Obama gas price advertising campaign funded by Koch Industries.

    The American Energy Alliance has also received over $3.8 million from Freedom Partners, including $1.5 million in 2012, a 501(c)(6) group directed by many of the Koch brothers’ “inner circle” such as Richard Fink,Marc Short, Wayne Gable, and Kevin Gentry.

    Both the American Energy Alliance and its parent organization, the Institute for Energy Research (IER), are run by Tom Pyle, a former lobbyist for Koch Industries. Politico reports that Pyle regularly attends the mega-donor summits organized by the Koch brothers, including the 2012 winter summit in Indian Wells, Calif., where the Kochs raised more than $150 million to be directed to groups ahead of the general election.

    Nancy Pfotenhauer, another lobbyist for Koch Industries, is listed as a Director on AEA‘s 2014 990 tax return. Pfotenhauer, formerly Nancy Mitchell, was an advisor to Senator John McCain during his presidential election campaign, and a former director of Koch Industries’ Washington office. Pfotenhauer was Koch Industries’ chief in-house lobbyist from 1996 to 2001 with a focus on gas pipelines. In 2001, Nancy Pfotenhauer left Koch Industries to become the President of the Independent Women’s Forum (IWF) and later president of both Americans for Prosperity (AFP) and the IWF. She was also executive vice president for Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE) a group co-founded by David H. Koch.
     
  16. Sear

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    Tesla got me a few hundred bucks selling on that $270 -> $350 swing last year, so I'll forever be thankful for that.

    I am glad I don't have to read any more bullshit from TESLA BULLS on investing subreddits, though. They were insufferable.
     
  17. Agrul

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    marijuana etfs >>> tesla
     
  18. Sanlaven

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    I wouldn’t touch Tesla’s stock and Elon Musk is a bizarre person, but I still think Tesla will be fine.

    If not, big Elon still has SpaceX
     
  19. Klerick

    Klerick I have loved some ladies, I have loved Jim Beam...

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  20. Velox

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    Tesla is likely a long way from ruin, but "erratic" is a fitting description.