Joker

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Utumno, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. Utumno

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    Damn dudes. That was some shit.

    All the Matt Damons.
     
  2. Bailon

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    Yes, I really enjoyed it. It is the movie I have wanted to see made since I was young and with the actor I wanted to see play it for a long time now as well. It did not let me down. I could quibble about little things, but bleh. Seeing it again Thursday at the drive-in. yay.
     
  3. Utumno

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    Big Joaquin Phoenix showing how it's done.

    I loved everything about it.

    I can see some ppl being let down if they think Joker --> DC shit --> Action Movie I guess.

    But I love the darkness, the grittiness of it, and I'm still a sucker for cinematography and damn there was so much great imagery. And the acting of course. JP going all in for that Oscar.
     
  4. Harper

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    baby's first taxi driver
     
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  5. Utumno

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    I keep hearing references to taxi driver, easter eggs, homage, etc.

    Never saw it but I probably should watch it already
     
  6. Jackpanel

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    Old movies usually suck, no matter how classic they were. I watched Easy Rider for the first time a few weeks ago, and holy shit was that ever painful to get through.
     
  7. Czer

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    hard pass, someone wants to make a movie detailing their view of someone else's comic character, again

    nah

    and redhood will always be the origins of joker for me
     
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    Taxi Driver is a decent movie. It’s probably notorious for how completely bonkers it must have seemed in 1973 or whenever it was released, rather than for being a great movie.

    It’s decent though.
     
  9. Sear

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    It's more than decent. The themes covered in Taxi Driver (social isolation, war PTSD, urban decay, etc) are just as relevant today as they were in 1976.

    I regard some older movies even more highly now than I did 20 years ago, but there's always going to be some that age poorly.

    Scorsese and Kubrick can do no wrong for me. There's never been anything on the level of Raging Bull since its release and today we have stuff like Creed getting 90% on RT. To me that just makes Raging Bull even more of a classic because they're not even in the same ballpark. Same goes for Goodfellas - still better than any other film in the genre.

    I do think horror and scifi have had somewhat of a revival in the past decade or so. The Witch is right up there with The Shining, and Interstellar was as close as we're going to get to 2001.

    Overrated classics for me would be crap like Dances With Wolves, Titanic, Forrest Gump, etc. Pre-1960's movies are also harder to defend. Nobody wants to watch The Ten Commandments in 2019. I think a lot of 70's and 80's classics hold up really well tho.
     
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  10. Red

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    I don't agree pal
     
  11. Sear

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    Did this even need to be marketed as a comic book movie?

    Seems like it's more of a character study with Phoenix playing a mentally-ill person that has next to nothing to do with Batman comic books.

    Kinda surprised they went that route bc if anything slapping "JOKER" (AS PLAYED BY JARED LETO PREVIOUSLY) on it negatively impacts critical perception. I'm sure it sold more tickets, though. If they called it ARTHUR then it probably gets jerked off more by movie snobs but doesn't make any money.
     
  12. Sear

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    Watch this be a new trend. Make an actual good movie that has nothing to do with comic books, then title it after a well-known comic book character just to sell tickets.

    Magneto starring Daniel Day-Lewis

    it's really just a movie about a holocaust survivor who becomes a misanthrope
     
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    I thought I read somewhere that the film initially had nothing to do with the Joker, I was just going to be a character study with a guy who wanted to be a standup comedian while also drawing heavily from Taxi Driver and King of Comedy. They decided afterward to make it a Joker “origin story” and shoehorn in some Gotham City references to get people interested
     
  14. Red

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    I would watch it
     
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  16. Harper

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    im cool with studios attaching comic book names to already-written character studies or dramas to fool audiences into watching them

    everybody wins
     
  17. Bailon

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    i enjoy things i enjoy
     
  18. Harper

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    is that the NAMBLA slogan
     
  19. Utumno

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    I dunno if I'd call it a trend, but this is definitely in the works already. I can't remember if it was Warner Bros or DC themselves but there's supposed to be a whole line of movies (I don't think the usual neverending comic book sequels and shit, but a bunch of stand-alones) where they do a more adult take character studies of various heroes/villains.

    I'm p okay w/that. I don't care at all if they use well known comic or other fiction heroes to draw interest as long as the movie/story itself is good. Seems like a smart move actually. I'm just not enough of a turbonerd about any given char to really get upset at adaptations even if they are not canon-accurate, unless the movie flat out sucks.

    Kindof feels like Logan headed down a similar path... though it was the ending of a run-of-the-mill comic movie series, it was decidedly different and very character/drama focused and not rly much of an action flick at all. Obviously Joker takes that much, much farther though.
     
  20. Sear

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    I'm cool with it. I just think it's hilarious if that's the case and the idea is to trick our mouthbreathing masses into watching non-mindless movies this way.

    It also reinforces Hollywood running out of fresh ideas a long time ago when they're pushing comic book origin stories as high art.