It's going down in Venezuela

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  1. Velox

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    Asti:
    To be honest, Venezuela has been increasingly mismanaged ever since Chavez took a hard left toward populism and old school communism (not European social democracy). Maduro was likely chosen on loyalty to the cause and nothing else, he is clearly in way over his head. The regime is stuck in a downward spiral mostly of their own making.

    The only way Maduro will make it another 5 years is as a tin-pot dictator propped up by the Russia/China axis for sweetheart oil deals, which means the populace can look forward to third-world living standards for the foreseeable future.

    Venezuelans definitely could use the aid. Yes it is also a thinly veiled attack on the regime, but a peaceful one. Maduro is a predictable idiot for turning it into a vote of confidence in himself. The only reason people aren't exactly ecstatic about Trump's pressure here is that the only thing worse than an idiot running a country, is two idiots fighting over a country.
     
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    Lol nah
     
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    This entire thing has been plotted by the far right, why do you think Netanyahu visited Bolsnaro a fascist, and Colombia is the staging ground.
     
  4. Velox

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    The Venezuelan economy has been mismanaged for 10+ years, and was locked in a downward spiral long before Trump and Bolsonaro.

    Real GDP growth:
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    Oil production of the worlds most oil-rich nation:
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    I would show the inflation, but you need a logarithmic scale to see anything before 2018.

    Venezuela is just another boring repeat of a charismatic leader riding on classical revolutionary communism, not realizing that a command economy is fucking difficult to sustain. Even the Chinese prefer to leave it to markets where possible (even if they have party officers as observers).
     
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    Thats dishonest, not even mentioning US sanctions. Lol


    The US policy isnt even governed by politicians, its a organization called the lima group. Most of these people were involved in iran contra, same group.
     
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    top 3 best shows that's up there with sunny
     
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    No, but throwing out specious objections without substantiating them is pretty dishonest on the other hand.

    There weren't any significant US sanctions against the country until Trump's in 2017, well after the Venezuelan economy entered its downward spiral in the plots above. In fact, you were still importing their oil, which is pretty much the only thing of value they produce, up until a month ago.

    Here is a summary of the US sanctions over time, the initial ones only target select individuals: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf
     
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    You're an outright liar and a fucking idiot

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Venezuela_relations

    Relations were strong under traditional governments in Venezuela, such as those of Carlos Andrés Pérez and Rafael Caldera.[1]However, tensions increased after the socialist President Hugo Chávez assumed elected office in 1999. Tensions between the countries increased further after Venezuela accused the administration of George W. Bush of supporting the Venezuelan failed coup attempt in 2002 against Chavez,[2][3] an accusation that was partly retracted later.[4]

    Relations between Venezuela and the United States have been further strained when the country expelled the U.S. ambassador in September 2008 in solidarity with Bolivia after a U.S. ambassador was accused of cooperating with violent anti-government groups in that country, though relations thawed somewhat under President Barack Obama in June 2009, only to steadily deteriorate once again shortly afterwards. In February 2014, the Venezuelan government ordered three American diplomats out of the country on charges of promoting violence.[5]The United States and Venezuela maintain diplomatic relations, with embassies each headed by a chargé d’affaires.[6]

    On January 23, 2019, Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro announced that Venezuela was breaking ties with the United States following President Trump's announcement of recognizing Juan Guaidó, the Venezuelan opposition leader, as the interim President of Venezuela.[7] On January 26, 2019, Maduro backtracked the request which defused the situation from a few days earlier with the request of the embassy staff to leave. Maduro's government is now in a 30 day talk with the Trump Administration to open a U.S. Interest Office as of January 26.[8]
     
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lima_Group

    The Lima Group (GL; Spanish and Portuguese: Grupo de Lima, French: Groupe de Lima) is a multilateral body that was established following the Lima Declaration on 8 August 2017 in the Peruvian capital of Lima, where representatives of 12 countries met in order to establish a peaceful exit to the Crisis in Venezuela.[1]

    Among other issues, the now 14-country group demands the release of political prisoners, calls for free elections, offers humanitarian aid and criticizes the breakdown of democratic order in Venezuela under the Bolivarian Government of Venezuela.


    Thats not even an elected group of officials its just business individuals.
     
  12. Velox

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    Nowhere in that random wikipedia excerpt above do they even mention sanctions.

    Dictionary result for specious
    /ˈspiːʃəs/
    adjective
    adjective: specious
    superficially plausible, but actually wrong.
    "a specious argument"

     
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    The throwdown of 2019
    Veloxzuela vs Czertinian
     
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    WE GOT SANCTIONS WE GOT SECRET BUSINESS GROUPS SHADY DEALINGS AND RIOTS IN THE STREET. THESE TWO NOBLE INTERNET COMPETITORS STEP INTO THE RING ONCE AGAIN. MY GOD WE HAVE SEEN THEM DANCE BEFORE POSSIBLE ONE LADY WHO STILL READS TZT AND GENTLEMEN. WHO WILL BE THE FIRST TO FALL FASTER THAN VENEZUELA'S OIL PRODUCTION? WHO WILL RISE IN THE RANKS AND CEMENT THEIR CLAIM TO TZT GOLD? LET'S TAKE THIS RINGSIDE AND SPEAK WITH SEAR " YOU KNOW HE WEARS HIS SUNGLASSES AT NIGHT" YX
     
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    Arguing in bad faith is his bread and butter. Not acknowledging western groups who are not elected democratically, external of the country itself deciding and implementing regime change.

    Should we take his arguments as logical or expansive enough to detail the reality of the situation. No.

    He posts economic data as if it's in a vacuum from geopolitics. He's an idiot.
     
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    This is very simple. You made a strong claim, now people expect you to back it up.

    Once again, how are US sanctions responsible for an economic meltdown that started well before them? It's an honest question, but you refuse to give an honest answer.
     
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    So your graph lines up right along the lines of western subterfuge

    You're basically a trampoline where I can do NBA jam tricks as michael jordan

    If you debated this way in person you would be humiliated

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Venezuela_relations

    United States interference allegations[edit]
    In April 2002, 19 people died in the Llaguno Overpass events in Venezuela, which resulted in Chavez’ removal from power while an interim government led.[18] After returning to power, Chávez claimed that a plane with U.S. registration numbers had visited and been berthed at Venezuela's Orchila Island airbase, where Chávez had been held captive.[citation needed] On May 14, 2002, Chávez alleged that he had definitive proof of U.S. military involvement in April's coup.[citation needed] He claimed that during the coup, Venezuelan radar images had indicated the presence of U.S. military naval vessels and aircraft in Venezuelan waters and airspace. The Guardian published a claim by Wayne Madsen– a writer (at the time) for left-wing publications and a former Navy analyst and critic of the George W. Bush administration– alleging U.S. Navy involvement.[19]U.S. Senator Christopher Dodd, D-CT, requested an investigation of concerns that Washington appeared to condone the removal of Mr Chavez,[20][21] which found that "U.S. officials acted appropriately and did nothing to encourage an April coup against Venezuela's president" nor did they provide any naval logistical support.[22][23] CIA documents indicate that the Bush administration knew about a plot weeks before the April 2002 military coup. They cite a document dated April 6, 2002, which says: "dissident military factions...are stepping up efforts to organize a coup against President Chavez, possibly as early as this month.[18] According to William Brownfield, ambassador to Venezuela, the U.S. embassy in Venezuela warned Chávez about a coup plot in April 2002.[24] Further, the United States Department of State and the investigation by the Office of the Inspector General found no evidence that "U.S. assistance programs in Venezuela, including those funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), were inconsistent with U.S. law or policy" or ". . . directly contributed, or was intended to contribute, to [the coup d'état]."[22][25]

    Chávez also claimed, during the coup's immediate aftermath, that the U.S. was still seeking his overthrow. On October 6, 2002, he stated that he had foiled a new coup plot, and on 20 October 2002, he stated that he had barely escaped an assassination attempt while returning from a trip to Europe. However, his administration failed to investigate or present conclusive evidence to that effect. During that period, the US Ambassador to Venezuela warned the Chávez administration of two potential assassination plots.[24]

    Venezuela expelled US naval commander, John Correa, in January 2006. The Venezuelan government claimed Correa, an attaché at the US embassy, had been collecting information from low-ranking Venezuelan military officers. Chavez claimed he had infiltrated the US embassy and found evidence of Correa's spying. The US declared these claims "baseless" and responded by expelling Jeny Figueredo, the chief aid to the Venezuelan ambassador, to the US. Chavez promoted Figueredo to Deputy Foreign Minister to Europe.[26]

    Hugo Chávez repeatedly alleged that the US had a plan, entitled Plan Balboa, to invade Venezuela. In an interview with Ted Koppel, Chavez stated "I have evidence that there are plans to invade Venezuela. Furthermore, we have documentation: how many bombers to overfly Venezuela on the day of the invasion, how many trans-Atlantic carriers, how many aircraft carriers..."[27] Neither President Chavez nor officials of his administration ever presented such evidence. The US denies the allegations, claiming that Plan Balboa is a military simulation carried out by Spain.[28]

    On February 20, 2005, Chávez reported that the U.S. had plans to have him assassinated; he stated that any such attempt would result in an immediate cessation of U.S.-bound Venezuelan petroleum shipments.[29]

    Economic relations[edit]
    Chávez's socialist ideology and the tensions between the Venezuelan and the United States governments had little impact on economic relations between the two countries. On September 15, 2005, President Bush designated Venezuela as a country that has "failed demonstrably during the previous 12 months to adhere to their obligations under international counternarcotics agreements." However, at the same time, the President waived the economic sanctions that would normally accompany such a designation, because they would have curtailed his government's assistance for democracy programs in Venezuela.[30] In 2006, the United States remained Venezuela's most important trading partner for both oil exports and general imports – bilateral trade expanded 36% during that year[31] As of 2007, the U.S. imported more than $40 billion in oil from Venezuela and the trade between the countries topped $50 billion despite the tumultuous relationship between the two.[32]

    With rising oil prices and Venezuela’s oil exports accounting for the bulk of trade, bilateral trade between the US and Venezuela surged, with US companies and the Venezuelan government benefiting.[33] Nonetheless, since May 2006, the Department of State, pursuant to Section 40A of the Arms Export Control Act, has prohibited the sale of defense articles and services to Venezuela because of lack of cooperation on anti-terrorism efforts.[34]

    Opposition to U.S. foreign policy[edit]
    Since the start of the George W. Bush administration in 2001, relations between Venezuela and the United States deteriorated markedly, as Chávez became highly critical of the U.S. economic and foreign policy. Moreover, he criticized U.S. policy with regards to Iraq, Haiti, Kosovo the Free Trade Area of the Americas, and other areas. Chávez also denounced the U.S.-backed ouster of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in February 2004.[citation needed] In a speech at the United Nations General Assembly, Chávez said that Bush promoted "a false democracy of the elite" and a "democracy of bombs".[35]

    Chávez's public friendship and significant trade relationship with Cuba and Fidel Castro undermined the U.S. policy of isolating Cuba; moreover, on Chavez's initiative, long-running ties between the U.S. and Venezuelan militaries were also severed. Chávez's stance as an OPEC price hawk has also raised the price of petroleum for American consumers, as Venezuela pushed OPEC producers towards lower production ceilings, with the resultant price settling around $25 a barrel prior to 2004. During Venezuela's holding of the OPEC presidency in 2000, Chávez made a ten-day tour of OPEC countries. In the process, he became the first head of state to meet Saddam Hussein since the Gulf War. The visit was controversial both in Venezuela and in the US, although Chávez did respect the ban on international flights to and from Iraq (he drove from Iran, his previous stop).[36]

    The Bush administration consistently opposed Chávez's policies. Although it did not immediately recognize the Carmona government upon its installation during the 2002 attempted coup, it had funded groups behind the coup, speedily acknowledged the new government and seemed to hope it would last.[37] The U.S. government called Chávez a "negative force" in the region, and sought support from among Venezuela's neighbors to isolate Chávez diplomatically and economically.[citation needed] One notable instance occurred at the 2005 meeting of the Organization of American States. A U.S. resolution to add a mechanism to monitor the nature of American democracies was widely seen as an attempt at diplomatically isolating both Chávez and the Venezuelan government. The failure of the resolution was seen by analysts as politically significant, evidencing widespread support in Latin America for Chávez, his policies, and his views.[citation needed]

    The U.S. also opposed and lobbied against numerous Venezuelan arms purchases made under Chávez. This includes a purchase of some 100,000 rifles from Russia, which Donald Rumsfeld implied would be passed on to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), and the purchase of aircraft from Brazil.[citation needed] The U.S. has also warned Israel to not carry through on a deal to upgrade Venezuela's aging fleet of F-16s, and has similarly pressured Spain.[citation needed] In August 2005, Chávez rescinded the rights of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents to operate in Venezuelan territory, territorial airspace, and territorial waters. While U.S. State Department officials stated that the DEA agents' presence was intended to stem cocaine traffic from Colombia, Chávez argued that there was reason to believe the DEA agents were gathering intelligence for a clandestine assassination targeting him, with the ultimate aim of ending the Bolivarian Revolution.[citation needed]

    When a Marxist insurgency picked up speed in Colombia in the early 2000s, Chavez chose not to support the U.S. in its backing of the Colombian government. Instead, Chavez declared Venezuela to be neutral in the dispute, yet another action that irritated American officials and tensed up relations between the two nations. The border between Venezuela and Colombia was one of the most dangerous borders in Latin America at the time, because of Colombia's war spilling over to Venezuela.[38]

    Chávez dared the U.S. on 14 March 2008 to put Venezuela on a list of countries accused of supporting terrorism, calling it one more attempt by Washington, D.C. to undermine him for political reasons.[39]

    In May 2011, Venezuela was one of the few countries to condemn the killing of Osama Bin Laden.[40]

    Personal disputes[edit]
    Chávez's anti-U.S. rhetoric sometimes touched the personal: in response to the ouster of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in February 2004, Chávez called U.S. President George W. Bush a pendejo ("jerk" or "dumbass"); in a later speech, he made similar remarks regarding Condoleezza Rice. President Barack Obama called Chávez "a force that has interrupted progress in the region".[41] In a 2006 speech at the UN he referred to Bush as "the Devil" while speaking at the same podium the US president had used the previous day claiming that "it still smells of sulphur".[42] He later commented that Barack Obama "shared the same stench".[43]

    During his weekly address Aló Presidente of 18 March 2006, Chávez responded to a US White House report which characterized him as a "demagogue who uses Venezuela's oil wealth to destabilize democracy in the region". During the address Chávez rhetorically called George W. Bush "a donkey." He repeated it several times adding "eres un cobarde ... eres un asesino, un genocida ... eres un borracho" (you are a coward ... you are an assassin, a mass-murderer ... you are a drunk).[44] Chávez said Bush was "a sick man" and "an alcoholic".[45]

    Response to Pat Robertson assassination calls[edit]
    After prominent US evangelical, Pat Robertson's on-air call for Chavez to be assassinated in August 2005, Robertson was condemned worldwide, particularly by the Chávez administration, who reported that it would more closely scrutinize and curtail foreign evangelical missionary activity in Venezuela. Chávez himself denounced Robertson's call as a harbinger of a coming U.S. intervention to remove him from office. Chávez reported that Robertson, member of the secretive and elite Council for National Policy (CNP) — of which George Bush, Grover Norquist, and other prominent neoconservative Bush administration insiders were also known members or associates — was guilty of "international terrorism". Robertson subsequently apologized for his remarks, which were criticised by Ted Haggard of the U.S.-based National Association of Evangelicals. Haggard was concerned about the effects Roberson's remarks would have on US corporate and evangelical missionaries' interests in Venezuela.

    Relations with Cuba and Iran[edit]
    Chávez's warm friendship with former Cuban President Fidel Castro, in addition to Venezuela's significant and expanding economic, social, and aid relationships with Cuba, undermined the U.S. policy objective seeking to isolate the island. In 2000 Venezuela stepped in to bolster the Cuban crisis arising from the fall of the Soviet Union. Venezuela agreed to provide Cuba with a third of its oil needs,[46] at a 40% discount supplemented by a subsidized loan, the value of which was estimated at about $1.5-billion per year. In return, Cuba was to deliver doctors to work in Venezuela. The Venezuela assistance to the Cuban economy was estimated at between $10 billion to $13 billion annually between 2010 and 2013.[47]

    Chávez consolidated diplomatic relations with Iran, including defending its right to civilian nuclear power.[48] Venezuela severed diplomatic relations with Israel in January 2009.

    Organization of American States[edit]
    At the 2005 meeting of the Organization of American States, a United States resolution to add a mechanism to monitor the nature of democracies was widely seen as a move to isolate Venezuela. The failure of the resolution was seen as politically significant, expressing Latin American support for Chávez.[49]

    Hurricane Katrina[edit]
    After Hurricane Katrina battered the United States' Gulf coast in late 2005, the Chávez administration offered aid to the region.[50] Chávez offered tons of food, water, and a million barrels of extra petroleum to the U.S. He has also proposed to sell, at a significant discount, as many as 66,000 barrels (10,500 m3) of fuel oil to poor communities that were hit by the hurricane and offered mobile hospital units, medical specialists, and electrical generators. According to activist Jesse Jackson,[51] the Bush administration declined the Venezuelan offer. However, United States Ambassador to Venezuela, William Brownfield welcomed the offer of fuel assistance to the region, calling it "a generous offer" and saying "when we are talking about one-to-five million dollars, that is real money. I want to recognize that and say, 'thank you.'"[52]

    In November 2005, following negotiations by leading US politicians for the US' largest fuel distributors to offer discounts to the less well-off, officials in Massachusetts signed an agreement with Venezuela. The agreement aims to provide heating oil at a 40% discount to low-income families through Citgo, a subsidiary of PDVSA and the only company to respond to the politicians' request.[53] Chávez stated that such gestures comprise "a strong oil card to play on the geopoliticalstage" and that "it is a card that we are going to play with toughness against the toughest country in the world, the United States."[54]

    U.S. administrations[edit]
    In September 2008, following retaliatory measures in support of Bolivia, Chavez expelled the U.S. ambassador Patrick Duddy. Chavez labeled Duddy persona non grata after accusing him of aiding a conspiracy against his government — a charge Duddy consequently denied.[55]

    Despite allegedly waning of Hugo Chavez's aggressive foreign policy due to the sharp drop in oil in the last quarter of 2008, hostility with America continued. "American Corners," (AC) a partnership between the Public Affairs sections of U.S. Embassies worldwide and their host institutions, was said to be an interference in Venezuela. In their book, Imperial Spiderweb: Encyclopedia of Interference and Subversion, Eva Golinger and Frenchman, Riman Mingus, warned that it was one of Washington's secret forms of propaganda, Golinger denouncing AC to the Venezuelan National Assembly as virtual consulates, which are not formally sponsored by the US government, but by an organization, association, school, library or local institution. Additionally, they have not only functioned as a launch pad for a psychological war, but also sought to subvert and violate diplomatic rules. The AC's were alleged to be closely supervised by the State Department.[56] Golinger has been described by many[57][58][59][60][61] as pro-Chavez.

    In January 2009, Chavez announced an investigation into the US Chargé d'Affairs, John Caulfield, who is the leading US diplomat after Duddy's expulsion. He contended that Caulfield had possibly met with opposition Venezuelans in exile in Puerto Rico; an official spokeswoman from the United States said Caulfield was there for a wedding. Chavez used the occasion to accuse "the empire" of using Puerto Rico as a base for actions against him and Latin America. He referred to Puerto Rico as a "gringo colony" and that one day the island would be liberated.[62]

    Presidency of Barack Obama[edit]
    During the 2008 U.S. election, Chávez declared that he had no preference between Barack Obama and John McCain stating "the two candidates for the US presidency attack us equally, they attack us defending the interests of the empire".[63] After Obama had won the election, Venezuela's foreign minister labeled the outcome a historic moment in international relations and added that the American people had chosen a "new brand" of diplomacy. When Chavez was asked if the previously expelled ambassadors for each country would return, he replied "everything has its time."[citation needed] However, at a rally the evening before the November 4 elections where Chávez was supporting his own candidates Chávez echoed a sentiment by Lula of Brazil and Morales of Bolivia, referencing the change happening in Latin America seemed to be taking place in the US. He expressed hope that he would meet with Obama as soon as possible.[55]However, on March 22, 2009, Chávez called Obama "ignorant" and claimed Obama "has the same stench as Bush", after the US accused Venezuela of supporting the insurgent Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).[64] Chávez was offended after Obama said that he had "been a force that has interrupted progress in the region", resulting in his decision to put Venezuela's new ambassador to the United States on hold.[65]

    During the Summit of the Americas on April 17, 2009, Chávez met with Obama for the first, and only, time where he expressed his wish to become Obama's friend.[66][67]

    On September 10, 2009, Chávez gave a speech at the Peoples' Friendship University of Russia in Moscow declaring that "in all history, there was never a government more terrorist than the US. The Empire of the Yankees. They are the main terrorists of the world”, he added, referring to the U.S. "The Yankee empire will fall. It's already falling, and will disappear from the face of the Earth, and it's going to happen this century."[68]

    On December 20, 2011, Chávez called Obama "A clown, an embarrassment, and a shame to Black People" after Obama criticized Venezuela’s ties with Iran and Cuba.[69]

    Venezuela and the United States have not had ambassadors in each other's capitals since 2010.[70] Shortly before the 2012 US presidential elections, Chávez announced that if he could vote in the election, he would vote for Obama.[71] In 2013, before Hugo Chavez died, Venezuelan Vice President Nicolás Maduro expelled two U.S. military attaches from the country, saying they were plotting against Venezuela by attempting to recruit Venezuelan military personnel to destabilize Venezuela and suggested they caused Chavez's cancer.[72] The Obama Administration rejected the allegations and responded by expelling two Venezuelan diplomats.[73]

    Allegations of U.S. involvement in Chavez' death[edit]
    In December 2011, Chávez already under treatment for cancer and wondered out loud: “would it be so strange that they’ve invented the technology to spread cancer and we won’t know about it for 50 years?” The Venezuelan president was speaking one day after Argentina’s leftist president, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, announced she had been diagnosed with thyroid cancer. This was after three other prominent leftist Latin America leaders had been diagnosed with cancer: Brazil’s president, Dilma Rousseff; former Paraguayan president, Fernando Lugo, and the former Brazilian leader, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. The Guardian newspaper’s Venezuela expert, Rory Carroll, has glibly categorized serious charges that Venezuela’s late President Hugo Chavez Frias was assassinated by a United States-produced bio-weapon as being in the same league with "conspiracy theorists who wonder about aliens at Roswell and NASA faking the moon landings". A number of Venezuelan officials[74] believe a hostile party covertly introduced an aggressive form of cancer into the 58-year-old president.

    Presidency of Nicolás Maduro[edit]
    On October 1, 2013, the US ordered three Venezuelan diplomats out of the country in response to the Venezuelan government's decision to expel three US officials from Venezuela.[75]

    On February 16, 2014, President Maduro announced he had ordered another three US consular officials to leave the country, accusing them of conspiring against the government and aiding opposition protests. Maduro described the US statements that claimed to be concerned with rising tensions and protests and warned against Venezuela's possible arrest of the country's opposition leader as "unacceptable" and "insolent." He said, "I don't take orders from anyone in the world."[76] On February 25, 2014, the United States responded by expelling three additional Venezuelan diplomats from the country.[77]

    On May 28, 2014, the United States House of Representatives passed the Venezuelan Human Rights and Democracy Protection Act (H.R. 4587; 113th Congress), a bill that would apply economic sanctions against Venezuelan officials who were involved in the mistreatment of protestors during the 2014 Venezuelan protests.[78]

    In December 2014, the US Congress passed Senate 2142 (the “Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014”).[79]

    On March 9, 2015, the United States President, Barack Obama, signed and issued a presidential order declaring Venezuela a "threat to its national security" and ordered sanctions against seven Venezuelan officials. Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro denounced the sanctions as an attempt to topple his socialist government. Washington said that the sanctions targeted individuals who were involved in the violation of Venezuelans' human rights, saying that "we are deeply concerned by the Venezuelan government's efforts to escalate intimidation of its political opponents".[80]

    The move was denounced by other Latin American countries. The Community of Latin American and Caribbean States issued a statement criticizing Washington’s “unilateral coercive measures against International Law.”[81] The Secretary-General of the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR), Ernesto Samper, said that the body rejects “any attempt at internal or external interference that attempts to disrupt the democratic process in Venezuela.”[82]

    Following the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States, Citgo, a US-based oil company owned by the Venezuelan government, gifted $500,000 toward Donald Trump's inauguration on January 20, 2017.[83]

    On April 20, 2017, the Venezuelan Government seized the General Motors Plant in the Venezuelan state of Zulia, causing the plant to close operations.[84]

    2017 Venezuelan constitutional crisis[edit]
    Main article: 2017 Venezuelan constitutional crisis
    On August 11, 2017, President Trump said that he is “not going to rule out a military option” to confront the autocratic government of Nicolás Maduro and the deepening crisis in Venezuela.[85] Venezuela’s Defense Minister, Vladimir Padrino López, immediately criticized Trump for his statement, calling it “an act of supreme extremism” and “an act of madness”. The Venezuelan Communications Minister, Ernesto Villegas, said Trump’s words amounted to “an unprecedented threat to national sovereignty”.[86] President Maduro's son, Nicolás Maduro Guerra, stated during the 5th Constituent Assembly of Venezuela session that if the United States were to attack Venezuela, "the rifles would arrive in New York, Mr. Trump, we would arrive and take the White House".[87]
    23 January 2019 communication from National Assembly to ambassadors
    On January 23, 2019, Maduro announced that Venezuela was breaking ties with the United States following President Trump's announcement of recognizing Juan Guaidó, the leader of Venezuela's National Assembly, as the interim President of Venezuela.[7] Maduro said all US diplomats must leave within 72 hours, but Guaidó said that they should stay.[88] Maduro later confirmed the closure of the Venezuelan Embassy and all consulates in the United States.[89] In response Maduro ordered the expulsion of US diplomats, giving them 72 hours to leave Venezuela. The US said it would not close its embassy, stating their diplomatic relationship was with Guaidó's government, and holding Maduro responsible for the safety of its staff.[90][91][92] On 26 January 2019, only hours before the deadline, the Maduro government backtracked on its expulsion order, giving US diplomats another 30 days.[93]
     
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    I can pull up more information and just connect it to those time periods you trying to talk about in a vacuum.
     
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    Amazing, it's like talking to a wall of text. Do you even read what you paste? The section on "Economic relations" directly contradicts your claim, "With rising oil prices and Venezuela’s oil exports accounting for the bulk of trade, bilateral trade between the US and Venezuela surged, with US companies and the Venezuelan government benefiting.[33] ". To reiterate, there were no significant sanctions until well after the Venezuelan economic meltdown started!

    I predict more posts with specious arguments and grade school insults.
     
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    So cited information doesn't matter, only lines on a graph and you are not allowed to correlate geopolitical events to economic trends.

    The area on economic relations doesn't contradict anything, geopolitics isn't just called economic relations.

    I'm not sure how stupid you really are, but I don't think you even comprehended the word subterfuge which is described in detail in that "wall of text', economic sanctions and relations are not related to active directives against a foreign power, you can do things, called subterfuge.

    You know what the synonym of that word is? Deceit.

    Your argument is non existent and unfounded talking purely about economics.

    Let's take a look at Russia and Iran's, not at all because of those same exact reasons?

    You mean the US is actively not trying to block nordstream 2?

    You mean the US isn't trying to halt the flow of oil from both of those countries?
     
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