Increased seismic/volcanic activity

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  1. Vlaara

    Vlaara Maaruk the Mighty

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    as a result of climate change?

    My various hypotheses predict that messing with the balance that the earth has settled into would have much more catastrophic impacts than even the narratives put out there. Basically, the earth WILL violently return to the state that it "likes" to be in - and although I believe my ideas to be true I understand that they are highly theoretical. So, I started poking around.

    I've looked through a few of the many studies about the potential impacts of climate change (related, this should boil your blood) and most of the models I looked at did not consider the planet as a whole - they just looked at "climate". I found this article from 2016 "How climate change triggers earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanoes" which says the same thing, and uses physics as we know it to make the same predictions.

    Anyone more familiar with the literature than I, know if anyone else is talking about this that I could check out?
     
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    Vlaara Maaruk the Mighty

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    Vlaara Maaruk the Mighty

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    addendum: I meant the models mostly just look at "weather" and not taking into account how climate change is going to affect the earth as a whole - meaning the crust/mantle/etc.

    also
     
  5. Vlaara

    Vlaara Maaruk the Mighty

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    I mean you can worry about China/Russia, nukes, civil unrest all you want but the earth destroys shit on scales that make nukes look dumb.
     
  6. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    we can survive the storms, but climate change doesn't affect one of the super volcanoes going off and ruining civilization
     
  7. Fais

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    Your not alone, I have seen others on non scientific boards talk about this. The ground and oceans are absorbing a large amount of the CO2 as a "sink" of sorts. I guess maybe someone could study the strength of granite and other bedrock as they absorb more CO2. My thought though is that even if what you are suggesting is true, that the time frame maybe in millions of years, and the climate change due to CO2 in the atmosphere might have disastrous affects in only a few hundred. The atmosphere is such a thin layer especially when you consider density vs the crust. It seems the atmosphere would be affected much faster.

    The thing that I find amazing is how much stored CO2 there is on the earth in the form of decayed plant material. Oil, Coal, Tundras, Natural Gas all for the most part have always been a bomb of sorts ready to go off.
     
  8. Vlaara

    Vlaara Maaruk the Mighty

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    It's not really a thin layer

    Even if we just accept the first ten miles for the sake of the conversation it's not a thin layer.

    It's all pretty interesting when you look at the composition of the planet and how things move about down there. Things happen on a different timescale down there, and we are and have been in a very stable period - and its probably nothing to worry about but something like the Permian/Triassic extinction event would be:

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    ya, we're watching this happen in real-time in Alaska.

     
  9. Agrul

    Agrul TZT Neckbeard Lord

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    i am not an expert on volcanoes but i want to be

    probably everybody wants to be
     
  10. Agrul

    Agrul TZT Neckbeard Lord

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    volcanologist > astronaut > firefighter

    suck it, firemen
     
  11. Red

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    What about space garbage man?
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  12. Fais

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  13. Velox

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    How would spewing more CO2 into the atmosphere bring balance?

    Also, let's try not to anthropomorphize the planet.
     
  14. Vlaara

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    I recognize it is your second language. In English, quotation marks can be used in a variety of ways - but you can imagine me doing this:

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    which indicates I don't mean it literally, but hopefully it works for the idea I was trying to communicate since I couldn't immediately think of the string of words I could use to communicate my intent. Besides, depending on whether or not you believe in free will or not, you can't anthropomorphize anything, but I digress at great risk here.

    First, "spewing CO2" isn't really an accurate description of what happens when a volcano erupts, it is one of the things that occur as a result of it sure.

    Regardless I'm not implying that it's spewing CO2 to maintain balance in the atmosphere - but the planet exists in a state of relative equilibrium and it "prefers" to be in that state and volcanic eruptions are part of that process that is continually happening.

    This brings me to the second point - that the distinction between the earth and its atmosphere is not a completely arbitrary distinction but it is arbitrary - think of the fish/water analogy and work from there - is there any part of the planet that isn't part of what we call the earth? Just because the "atmosphere" is composed of different materials (and as my friend Fais points out, has less mass) than the crust, mantle, or core it doesn't make it any less part of one whole. Think about the process of the earth forming, when all the parts that compose the planet (or any planet really) coalesce and begin to settle at some point in the process it begins to stabilize. As the earth crust and upper mantle began forming it created a solid barrier with unequal pressures everywhere - in the early part of the existence of our planet it is generally recognized that it was fairly volatile - the reason being not that the earth was angry or w/e but as a result of chemistry/geology/whatever. We are in a stable state that began almost in the Triassic period?

    The third point - we do all sorts of things to mess with that equilibrium. The focus on CO2 is super relevant but we're messing with the chemical composition of the ocean, we're clearcutting forests, etc. etc. etc. Even the process of oil and gas extraction is taking sequestered carbon from below the earth and moving it into the ocean/atmosphere. The crust is an effective barrier but it's not a separate entity. Earthquakes are happening constantly (as well as volcanic eruptions) as part of the earth normal process. We've been in a fairly stable state since the extinction event I mentioned previously. So, as the article and subsequent papers I linked imply: surface events could possibly trigger subsurface events.

    My personal theories take a slightly different route to reach similar conclusions and I haven't inserted my work in any meaningful way other than pointing out the distinction between the constituent parts of the planet are fairly arbitrary and seem to be mainly based on our experience/observation as humans. This is cultural - Eskimo tends to see how things are the same, and how things are related rather than the Western focus on distinctions. This isn't to say that we don't make the same distinctions - they just carry less weight.
     
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  15. Vlaara

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    "Japan’s flagship ocean-drilling research vessel, Chikyu, has drilled deeper into the ocean floor than ever before. But it failed to achieve its ultimate goal of penetrating 5,200 metres beneath the sea floor, into the realm where two tectonic plates meet and cause enormous earthquakes. Engineers gave up on that long-sought target in February, after the drill hole kept collapsing, just over 3,250 metres beneath the sea floor."

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41...=social&utm_campaign=naturenews&sf213627708=1
     
  16. Vlaara

    Vlaara Maaruk the Mighty

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    ima watch how this one ages this year
     
  17. Sear

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    "Volcano scientist" was what I always answered to "what do you want to be when you grow up?" when I was a kid

    still think it would be pretty cool
     
  18. Vlaara

    Vlaara Maaruk the Mighty

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  19. Harper

    Harper encrypted account, pls don't sniff my packet

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    i figured it out
     
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  20. Agrul

    Agrul TZT Neckbeard Lord

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    um i dont like to bring the admin hammer down on u guys but i want you to know that necroposting on our high-volume board is not very acceptable

    please dont do this again ty