Idaho teacher who fed puppy to snapping turtle found not guilty of animal cruelty

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  1. Utumno

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    Yeah the whaling thing is p disturbing (both on an emotional and a mother-fucker-there's-like-5-of-them-left-eat-something-else-bitch standpoint)
     
  2. Sear

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    This.

    Plus even if this teacher was prosecuted unfairly, I think he's an irresponsible idiot for making the assumption that "puppy being eaten alive" is cool to show someone else's kids.

    What do you think about the psychology of someone who can't wait to feed rats to their pet snake? That's a big " probably one of those kids who tortured their pet hamster for fun" red flag for me, but maybe I'm wrong.
     
  3. Velox

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    I could get on-board with some stratification of rights, but anthropomorphisms taken too far can become a significant burden to society.

    Lias also has a good point about cows. Hindu minorities may start demanding the same emotional protections, and in a decade my beef will be in danger :angry:

    Note sure what the teacher was thinking, but there was definitely a life lesson or two in this episode. If it was worth the psychological harm is a another question though.
     
  4. Sear

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    People who eat beef on the regular are probably going to die a cardiovascular-related early death anyway, so it has some built-in karma for the humane aspects.

    Same goes for people who love bacon. Unhealthy fatty magnet.
     
  5. Utumno

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    oh shit, slippery slope to taking away that juicy, juicy brisket.

    i don't even know what we're arguing anymore but motherfuckers better leave my brisket alone
     
  6. Utumno

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  7. Agrul

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    if mcdonalds dont start serving whale tots imma riot
     
  8. AgelessDrifter

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    Every Japanese person I talked to about whale and dolphin meat (full disclosure, it didn't come up a lot) said that Japanese people don't even think it tastes good and just do it because it's traditional

    fuck killing whales and dolphins
     
  9. Utumno

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    in b4 vlaara
     
  10. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    Beef production is pretty terrible for the environment + animal welfare, and we should all probably eat less beef rather than being weak pieces of shit that can’t give up one of the 9,800,183 food options available to us because it is kind of tasty + SUPER MANLY.
     
  11. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    GOTTA HAVE A BARBEQUE, STACK THEM COALS, EAT THAT MEAT, GO PLAY COUNTERSTRIKE, TALK ABOUT BIG ASSES WE’D FUCK, REMAIN INCEL VIRGINS
     
  12. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    I will literally drag someone out to still water and fill them with insects

    it's insane to me you can't see how that's a proper form of justice

    I should be able to murder you when I deem you weak
     
  13. Red

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    DOUBLE UP ON THE STEAK SOYBOYS
     
  14. Sear

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    get my diabetic socks and muumuu out Cletus, we're eatin' a fancy dinner tonight (Wendy's)
     
  15. Velox

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    It's debatable if beef production has to be bad for animal well-fare. Swedish farmers are highly regulated, and cattle safely graze outside when temperatures allow. Most don't get old for obvious reasons, but quality of that life seems pretty competitive as they are provided food, heat safety and a degree of freedom. Further, I suspect cows would not really survive in the wild anymore after millenia of domestication, so a complete stop to meat production would make cows as we know them nearly extinct. If this is better from an animal well-fare perspective or not depends on your criteria. What quality of life is an animal entitled to? Because life in the wild can be pretty damn harsh.

    As for AGW, I would rather climate compensate than stop eating beef. If the US could actually agree to market-based solutions for CO2 credits, everybody could make their own choices.
     
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  16. Agrul

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    Do Swedish farmers actually account for a significant amount of beef production, though? Grazing isn't a particularly high-output model, and is almost certainly very far from being able to support current levels of world-wide average meat consumption.
     
  17. Velox

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    Only for Swedes, but my point was that you can regulate it instead of banning it. Prices will go up a bit (<2x based on Swedish prices), but the option is there. The US would certainly have space for it.

    Decades from now we may have tasty factory grown meat, so global projections are academic.
     
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  18. Agrul

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    Given the world's typical unwillingness to change its dietary habits, the whole conversation's academic, really.

    But I think "The US would certainly have space for it." is totally wrong. Yes, we have a lot of space, but nevertheless I do not think that we could anywhere near make up for the falling-off-a-cliff in productivity that is moving from factory farming to a free-grazing model.
     
  19. Fais

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    Time to march outside of Elementary schools with "get your cheeseburger happy meal" signs!
     
  20. Velox

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    I took the question to be about banning meat or not for ethical reasons. Regardless if it is about animal well-being or AGW, you don't need the whole world to agree on something for a country to do what they think is right.

    I'm not an expert on beef production, but what specifically do you mean by fall off a cliff? I couldn't find any numbers with a quick google, but I'm not convinced it has to be more than twice as expensive. As long as the animal consumes a degree of grass, that grass has to be grown somewhere, and there should be opportunities to naturally graze on that in the field. Contrary to diary cows, a calf grown for beef literally has no obligation except eating, and can do that grazing outside.

    Also, while the US population density is 4x that of Sweden, 3x as much of that is arable: https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Agriculture/Arable-land/%-of-land-area