Idaho teacher who fed puppy to snapping turtle found not guilty of animal cruelty

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  1. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    Idaho teacher who fed puppy to snapping turtle found not guilty of animal cruelty
    JANUARY 04, 2019

    https://www.idahostatesman.com/latest-news/article223956365.html

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    Robert Crosland leaves the courtroom during a recess in his misdemeanor animal cruelty case, Friday, Jan. 4, 2019, in Preston, Idaho.

    Crosland is on trial for feeding a live puppy to a snapping turtle in front of students at Preston Junior High School. (Eli Lucero/Herald Journal via AP) ELI LUCERO/HERALD JOURNAL AP
    PRESTON — A science teacher who ignited worldwide controversy after feeding a puppy to a snapping turtle was found not guilty of animal cruelty Friday evening.

    A panel of six jurors delivered the verdict to a packed courtroom after deliberating less than 30 minutes following the two-day trial in Franklin County. Robert Crosland, the Preston Junior High School teacher, smiled as the verdict was read and afterward spoke publicly for the first time since the March ordeal.

    “I would just like to thank all of the support that I’ve received,” he said. “I’d like to thank this community for staying behind me. It’s really what got me through all of this.”

    Crosland fed the sick puppy to a turtle named Jaws at Preston Junior High School after hours in front of a few students. Following an investigation by Idaho Attorney General Lawrence Wasden, Crosland was charged with misdemeanor animal cruelty.

    Shane Reichert, one of Crosland’s defense attorneys, admitted that some people might take issue with a snapping turtle eating a puppy but Reichert argued that in the eyes of the law, there is no difference between the dog and a rat or even deer people hunt.

    “As we set out from the beginning, we thought the State was going to have a difficult time proving this case beyond a reasonable doubt,” Reichert said. Wasden thanked the investigators and attorneys who worked on the case on behalf of his office.

    “As prosecutors, our job is to present evidence to the jury. In this case, Mr. Crosland’s peers in Franklin County did not find the state proved guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I appreciate the jurors’ attention and respect their decision,” Wasden said in a prepared statement.

    What happened in March
    Based on witness testimony from the trial, the timeline leading up to the snapping turtle eating the puppy is as follows: Crossland’s son, Mario Crosland, received the puppy from a farmer he knew. One of the farmer’s dogs had recently given birth to a litter of puppies, and the farmer was worried the pups were feeding off of the mother too much causing her health to decline. As a result, he started giving the puppies to others.

    When Mario received the puppy, he noticed it was sick. He said in his testimony that the puppies eyes were cloudy and it refused to eat. He said he and his sister tried to nurse the puppy back to health, but after a day it was clear the puppy was going to die. He said no matter what they did, it refused to eat. They gave the puppy to their dad who decided he would feed it to either his python, Monty, or the snapping turtle.

    Crosland arrived at school and attempted to feed the puppy to Monty but the snake didn’t eat it. The teacher then took the pup out to his van and continued with his regular teaching schedule. After school ended, Crosland stayed to help a student with a project. He mentioned to the few students in his classroom that he needed to feed his animals and asked if anyone would be offended because a puppy would be involved.

    The witnesses all testified Friday that they did not have a problem with it. Crosland let the students handle the puppy. Most of the witnesses said they noticed it was sickly, lethargic and its ribs were sticking out. A couple noted the puppies eyes were cloudy. After a few moments, Crosland placed the puppy in the snake’s enclosure but it became clear the reptile wasn’t interested.

    Crosland then put the puppy in the snapping turtle’s 350-gallon tank. Witnesses testified the puppy tried to swim for a couple of seconds then the turtle pulled the puppy under the water. Instead of eating the puppy right away, the turtle waited for it to stop moving which took around 30 seconds. A few of the witnesses said the puppy could barely move its legs before losing consciousness and it did not struggle much because of its poor health.

    After the turtle ate the puppy, the students left. Idaho Deputy Attorney General David Morse argued that the puppy suffered as a result of the feeding, saying it was “flailing around and crashing” around in the turtle tank.

    What witnesses said about Crosland
    Every witness called to testify said it was common knowledge that Crosland fed live animals to the snapping turtle and snake that were kept in his classroom. The Preston Junior High School Science Department Director said those reptiles would not eat dead animals and it was the movement of living creatures that triggered their response to feed.

    The witnesses consisted of current and previous students. They made clear that Crosland is a beloved teacher – one even testifying that he was his favorite teacher in school. Two of Crosland’s colleagues in the science department had only positive things to say about Crosland’s character, his love for teaching and his passion for animals.

    Crosland’s son, Mario, became emotional when testifying about his father’s love for animals and how he would do whatever he could to care for them. Mario even went so far as to say that his father “could do what Fish and Game couldn’t” when it came to caring for animals.

    What’s next for Crosland
    Crosland continues to teach for the Preston School District and he feels “a lot of relief” with the not guilty verdict. The turtle, which is deemed an invasive species in Idaho, was seized and euthanized by officials with the Idaho Department of Agriculture in March. Students, teachers and others in Preston hope the community can now move forward.

    “There was no question in my mind that he had no evil intent or no intent to harm this animal. Given the fact that what he does for a living and the area in which he teachers – there is no question he was doing what he thought was best for this puppy,” Stratton Laggis, Crosland’s other attorney, said.
     
  2. Red

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    Justified
     
  3. Utumno

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    I love me some dogs but if it was dying anyway, then eh.
     
  4. Sanlaven

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    Worse shit happens to animals that we eat regularly and no one cares because at least they’re not dogs. Like utumno said it was already about to die and at least it served as a meal to the turtle. The kids present also said they were fine with it both before and afterwards
     
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  5. Kilinitic

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    What kind of dog was it. This is really important.
     
  6. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    i've punched someone in their head for hitting their dog

    WE GOT A BUNCH OF SISSY'S UP IN HERE
     
  7. Sear

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    Man, I hope we can make this leap of logic for humans someday too.

    "The teacher's 97-year old grandmother seemed like she was gonna die anyway, so at least it served as a meal to the [large carnivorous animal a teacher keeps in his classroom without a permit]. The kids said they were fine with it. Billy Tompkins described the experience as "really cool", noting that the ear-curdling cries for mercy and bloody entrails didn't bother him at all."

    I don't have any issue with nature taking its course, but I think it's shitty to handle a dying dog that way. Inviting the kids to watch just tells me that this is probably the same type of closet sociopath who gets a boner every time they feed a live rabbit to their pet boa constrictor. I'm not a fan. Leave that part of nature out in the wild where it belongs instead of making a spectacle out of it in a fucking classroom.
     
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  8. Harper

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    i get what u guys are saying but i just feel like it'd be best if people didnt feed puppies to snapping turtles
     
  9. Sanlaven

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    I think that would be best as well, but no one would have blinked an eye at this if it were a half-dead rat. I understand culturally that we have been raised to view dogs almost as if they are human children, but I'm not sure why this guy should have been prosecuted for using a half-dead puppy instead unless there is a law that specifically prohibits that. It just blows my mind that people become outraged over something that will happen to a dog, but are probably fine with that same thing happening to literally any other non-human sentient creature on the planet.
     
  10. Kilinitic

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    Dogs rule rats suck dude. Everybody knows that.
     
  11. Utumno

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    I dunno if rat is immediately equivalent. Pig would be my fav comparison when it comes to dog. Just as intelligent/social, but to most of us emotionally they are pork chops and bacon.
     
  12. Utumno

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    Also while I disagree w/Sear his post about grandma is A+ would do business again.
     
  13. Sear

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    I get the point you're trying to make here, which is that the emotional response to this is disproportionate and even hypocritical (because it's a dog).

    I think I'd just rather not have junior high school teachers make a show out of feeding any semi-intelligent live animals to their illegally-kept large reptile pets in a classroom.
     
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  14. LiasTZ

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    People need to get over shit like this.

    The emotional response from some people to the idea of humans consuming cat or dog meat is just insane.
     
  15. Harper

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    my emotional response is to feel disgusted when i hear about some skinhead violating sheep
     
  16. Havlen

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    Cruelty to the turtle. Probably got a stomach ache from eating sick food. Teacher should get 14 days in prison for being mean to turtle.
     
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  17. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    I don’t think there is anything wrong with giving certain animals, particularly intelligent animals, elevated status because they are culturally or emotionally salient.

    I’m not against feeding sick animals to other animals so long as some sort of guidelines are established and every Johnny Shitbag can’t decide for themselves what is and isn’t animal cruelty. I don’t think what this guy did is necessarily bad (outside of the psychological issue Searyx mentioned), but I don’t like the idea of random people getting to decide on-the-fly what is an appropriate way to kill sick animals; Some people are really callous towards animal welfare.
     
  18. Agrul

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    i think dogs are intelligent & caring and not good to feed while awake + alive to other creatures if you can resist the incredibly strong temptation in-built in us all to do so at every opportunity

    i'm more inclined to say we're assholes for not giving a shit about feeding of live rats to snakes than that we're just too nice to the cold soulless fleshy sinew-robot puppies of the world

    that said if you want to sedate a dying pup and feed it to your shitty turtle v0v
     
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  19. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    I agree with that, especially the middle paragraph.

    Except that they said in the article that the animals don’t eat motionless bodies. I don’t know if that’s true or not as I know literally zero about shitty snapping turtles. *shrug*
     
  20. LiasTZ

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    Most "Westerners" generally frown on eating cats, dogs, horses, guinea pigs, whales, etc, yet all of those animals are consumed as food by various cultures. We in the west eat a crapload of beef despite cows being sacred to a billion odd Hindus, because by and large we're hypocritical as fuck about this sort of thing. I'm not going to go racing out to eat any of those things, but I don't really have any objection to other people doing so (only real exception being japan whaling halfway across the planet pissed me off, do it at home ya cunts).