Halloween

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  1. Red

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    Was pretty good and I will give is a 4 1/2 out of 5 Matty D's. Also I had no fucking idea they were remaking Pet Sematary which also looks pretty good.

     
  2. Utumno

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    I never even heard about it, but that's pretty cool that JLC is playing the role 40 years after the first one (which I never saw either).
     
  3. AgelessDrifter

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    Hmm that Pet Semetary trailer looks kinda promising but I been fooled before by SK film adaptations


    I still need to read that book though--It's one of the few major SK novels I haven't read
     
  4. Sear

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    It's probably King's best pure horror novel and easily the darkest. Most of his stuff you can roll your eyes at or just imagine him winking at you with his usual corny shit & overwrought endings, but he was not fucking around with the subject matter in that one.

    The trailer looks bad tho.

    Why change "the ground is sour" to "the ground is bad"? Why are there furry cult kids?

    Shot of the burial ground looks underwhelming and I'm not trying to be a snob here but this is source material that demands the right cinematography to create the feeling of dread from the book. Fuck your jump scares and lazy framing. The two movies we were just talking about here (Hereditary & The Witch) should be the template for translating this to the screen.
     
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    I have snippets of the original Pet Sematary from the 80s burned into my brain because it was put on repeat in the background at a drinking party years ago, of which I would go on to pass out in the living room while it still played.
     
  6. Utumno

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    Prob my fav SK book. Good shit.
     
  7. Red

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    Grandpa Searyx swoops in with his shaking fist and pocket full of hard candies
     
  8. Sear

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    Sometimes, Fred is better.

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    idk we'll see

    Haven't watched Halloween but it feels like Rob Zombie just remade that one.
     
  9. Red

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    There were very minor annoyances about Halloween and after thinking about it I would perhaps give it a 5/5. What really shined is they showed that Michael is just batshit insane with no remorse. That is what I have always like about Halloween because no one knows what drives him into killing.
     
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    But I also have a huge boner for stuff like that. There were a few like that at the prison and it was always interesting to talk with the legit "psychos". I pretty much non stopped jerked off while watching Mindhunter.
     
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    Also picture of searyx yelling at the sun because the light it gave off was better in the 80's

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  12. AgelessDrifter

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    Finally read Pet Sematary

    It was ok. Definitely not the scariest Stephen King novel. Starts off spooky, has a pretty slow chunk in the middle that would be ok but then the payoff is pretty minimal.
    I loved the portrayal of the resurrected cat as just sort of wretched in a way rather than openly menacing, and the story about the dude who got resurrected back in the day, but when the son comes back at the end and it basically turns into Chucky for, like, 10 pages before he gets taken out almost effortlessly with a fucking syringe of morphine of all thing, it's pretty disappointing.

    Not too optimistic about the movie not sucking. If it does not suck it'll have to be pretty different from the book, I think. Not because the book *sucked*, but it would make a shitty movie if ported directly without some overhaul, as with all SK.
     
  13. Utumno

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    I read PS as a teenager and rly enjoyed it, not sure how it'd hold up now
     
  14. Sear

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    King and a lot of his readers would disagree with you there AD, but what do you think was his scariest book?

    I feel very differently than you about Pet Sematary (which is fine - we can have different opinions). I didn't find it scary early, but rather a slow burn towards inevitable dread that accelerates to a breakneck pace for the last 80 pages or so. Things just keep getting worse for Louis and to me it was gripping.

    *mild spoilers ahead*

    The horror of the book for me was two-pronged: the supernatural aspect of his hallucinatory trips to the corrupted burial ground and the realistic aspect of a father unwilling to accept deaths in the family. The former was uncharacteristically subtle for King, which I thought made it more creepy and atmospheric. The Wendigo doesn't jump-scare like Pennywise - he's only vaguely implied as sort of a nasty side effect of this cursed part of the woods. The latter touched on a lot of events that I found relatable (my cat actually got ran over as a kid and I nearly did once too) as well as the desperation/bargaining one does when entrenched in grief. Everything Louis does you can imagine yourself doing as a heartbroken father, in spite of the horrible consequences.

    I was grateful that it didn't climax with a trademark "King overstuffs a bunch of convoluted shit and deus ex machina" overwrought ending. He just has a complete breakdown and goes back to the well one more time. That's it.

    I could write more but to me this is what makes it stand apart and I definitely think it's his darkest book. Not a fun read, but it's effective. I felt the same way about Blood Meridian.

    I disagree with you about it needing to be different in film - I think the source material is perfect and just needs to be in the right hands. We just watched Mandy so I'll point at that as a stylistic reference: imagine the trips through the woods with a similar hallucinatory feeling. Or something like this:



    They released another trailer that essentially spoils the entire film and reveals its wacky creative liberties (THE GIRL DIES IN THIS ONE AND WEARS A SPOOKY MASK THEN ATTACKS JOHN LITHGOW & THE WIFE LOL). I don't have high hopes for it being as good as IT was.

     
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    It was soooooooo long ago I can't even remember if I was scared in the horror sense, reading that book. But what I *do* remember even up to now was just thinking "man, this is so fucked" - increasingly, right until the end.
     
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    hey babe just here to get some wood heh

    let's make a rolling list of wacky changes to the movie that probably won't make it any better:

    -wat if we killed the girl instead of the boy ???
    -masks r spooky lets use them everywhere ppl will b scared haha
    -everything is a jump scare

    I'd like to add a few suggestions myself

    -wat if the wendigo was MEGATRON
    -it was all just a bad dream
    -the cat was driving the truck. it was the cat all along.
     
  18. AgelessDrifter

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    Well I think King says it was his scariest book because the house was based on his house, and the experience of the cat dying shortly after moving in, and the son running into the road were based on his actual experience moving to rural Maine (although his son didn't die, obviously). When I said it's definitely not his scariest book, I was mostly saying that because I remembered reading that he thought it was. It's understandable that he would, given the above, but I dunno--darkest, quite possibly, yeah, but not scariest. (I think The Shining would be the top there, for me--maybe IT, but I can't remember it as well anymore; I just remember how I felt reading them.)

    I think we'd probably agree on 99% of what's good and what's not about the book--I agree completely with everything you say you liked about it, and the pitfalls common to SK books that it avoided (I guess I should give it more credit for that, though, now that you bring it up--it's been a while since I read SK). I guess just, given how uncharacteristically subdued the rest of the book had been, that

    the actual resurrection of the son would've been more interesting when it finally happened. I mean it goes from this really low-key, pensive, dark, campfire story type of feeling to full-on slasher flick ("I'M GONNA FUCK WITH YOU REAL HARD!" *stabstabstab*) and I just don't think that that lives up to the tone being set by the rest of the book. I was definitely picturing a 90s-style jump-scare horror flicks during the first half of Part III, and I'd be surprised if that wasn't how King was imagining it given the films he's had a direct hand in.

    When I said it has a slow spot in the middle it's not that that's bad (and for the record I'm not talking about all of Part II [from Gage's funeral to when he's finally buried in the pet sematary]--the first half or 2/3 of that section is where a lot of the really hard-hitting contemplations on grief are. It's just that there's not that much tension re: will-he-won't he be successful exhuming the body without getting caught when, ya know, the whole premise of the book is that he's gonna bury his son in the pet sematary and it's going to be terrible, so I felt like that last 3rd could've been hurried along a bit, particularly because) given that it has this long, slow, pensive, brooding build-up, shit-talking-toddler mcstabface isn't the payoff I was hoping for. But in fairness to King, I couldn't say exactly what would've fit better, and I think it'd be tough to write whatever it was.
     
  19. AgelessDrifter

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    But yeah that movie looks like shit
     
  20. Red

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    That dude in the minivan should have finished King off before he ruined The Dark Tower