Ferris Mueller's Day Off

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  1. Sear

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/...mueller-report.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

    TLDR: His report is done, but this could go on for years anyway so who gives a shit unless they actually make it public.

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  2. Red

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    Big Donnie beat the case yawl
     
  3. Utumno

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    Big Donnie hand-picked the guy who was handed the report, who will promptly accidentally toss it into a fire.
     
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    Confirmed Donald 2020
     
  5. AgelessDrifter

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    this is the kind of thing they toppled governments over in the 19th century
     
  6. Sear

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    This report is going to be a big ol' nothingburger that leads into a Trump reelection, isn't it?
     
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    Yes because Donald can change the narrative and say I was just investigated for nothing. Stupid people will eat it up and more will support him. I have been hoping I would be wrong about this the whole time.
     
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    The only hope is some of the other investigations this has spawned will lead to charges on Doenald.
     
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    lol some entertaining shit

     
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    What do we think about Mueller's final public statement?

    I thought the delivery was awful, if nothing else - reading directly from a script in incomplete sentences and stumbling over his words.

    By repeatedly emphasizing that he "couldn't exonerate" Trump (which isn't his job anyway as a prosecutor) but also couldn't act on any crimes committed, he's effectively passing the buck to congress to do something about it. To me this seems like he's getting the hell out of Dodge while leaving an unfinished mess for someone else to sort through.
     
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  14. AgelessDrifter

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    Well he (apparently correctly) views himself as not empowered to indict the sitting president, so that the only role of the investigation was to either exonerate or fail to exonerate, and then provide a factual basis for either any future action that may follow--in the case of failure to exonerate--once Trump is no longer sitting president or for impeachment if congress chooses to act.

    That's my understanding, anyway. Since impeachment has much lower standards for conviction and doesn't require actual laws to be actually violated like an indictment would, it seems to me like the prudent move, as sexless as it is. I think Mueller effacing himself from the report's contents as much as possible is partly to ensure that his own credibility isn't diminished by any appearance of partisanship. I'm not sure that's the best possible move politically by any actor in his position, but since he is much more charismatic in photography than on video it may be best that he not try to play the political angle here, and leave that up to congress.
     
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    I get the impartiality aspect of it, but his report is a muddled mess. He did not subpoena Trump, his sons, Kushner, etc. Now he's reportedly not going to testify before congress, and it's all essentially a job unfinished - for whatever reason.
     
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    In that podcast it's speculated that he submitted and then withdrew subpoenas for Trump himself and why that might have happened, but I dunno about the others.

    I agree it would've been nice if this was where it ended, and I was definitely hoping--although probably not very realistically, in retrospect--that something more conclusive would come along with the closing of the investigation. I just hope it doesn't remain unfinished. The (conservative, republican) legal analyst in that podcast argues strongly that there are unambiguous grounds for impeachment on the obstruction point at least, and possibly criminal charges whenever Trump leaves office if someone pursues it.
     
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    I'd need to talk to someone who better understands legalese to get a clearer understanding of it, but it just seems like Mueller could have done more.

    I don't care enough to tinfoil hat it, but it does make me wonder if there were any reasons (beyond ethic and legal responsibility) why he seemingly stopped short. Did he wake up one morning with a horse head in his bed or something?

    At this point, I guess it doesn't matter. My expectations for congress doing anything about it in the near future are nonexistent.
     
  19. Czer

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    both chris christie and fox judge napolitano have said trump is screwed sideways after that

    it's the way mueller worded couldn't say the president was innocent
     
  20. Sear

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    Don't get me wrong, I am happy that he nudged congress towards impeachment.

    I just think he could have communicated this better. As it is, every news outlet and armchair analyst is providing their own interpretation of what he said. It'd have been better to word this in a way that is not so open to interpretation, so every right-wing media outlet can't do an immediate spin job on it (which of course they are - Fox News is fucking unbearable right now).