Epstein down. Conspiracy?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Ssalam, Aug 10, 2019.


Was Epstein murdered

  1. Yes. Clearly powerful people wanted him dead.

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  2. No. It's protocol to take someone off suicide watch this quickly.

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  3. No, but he had powerful friends that helped him commit suicide.

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  4. Synth. I don't care.

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  1. Czer

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    Unsealed documents detail alleged Epstein victim’s recruitment at Mar-a-Lago


    A trove of court documents unsealed Friday detail allegations by an alleged victim of wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein that while working as a teenage locker room attendant at President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort nearly two decades ago she was recruited to give Epstein massages that often involved sexual activity.

    The roughly 2,000 pages of records released by the Manhattan-based 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals also show the same woman, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, appears to have claimed she had sex with a series of prominent men — including former politicians — at Epstein’s direction while working as a staff masseuse for the investment adviser, who eventually came under investigation in 2006 for sex trafficking over his involvement with teenage girls.

    That probe wound up in a controversial plea deal where federal prosecutors in Florida agreed not to file charges against Epstein in exchange for him pleading guilty in 2008 to two state prostitution-related felonies. He served only about 13 months in county jail, much of it with permission to work from his office during the day.

    The deal drew objections and a lawsuit from some of Epstein’s victims, who alleged they were illegally kept in the dark about the agreement. Earlier this year, a federal judge agreed the victims’ rights were violated. That ruling, and a fresh indictment of Epstein in federal court in New York City last month, set in motion the resignation of Labor Secretary Alex Acosta, who was the chief federal prosecutor in south Florida and signed off on the Epstein deal.

    Epstein was found dead in his cell Saturday by apparent suicide, multiple media outlets reported.

    In deposition excerpts made public Friday, Giuffre said she was working as a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago in 2000 when she was approached by Epstein’s longtime friend Ghislaine Maxwell about giving massages to the wealthy investor, who owned a mansion in Palm Beach not far from the Trump resort.

    “Where in the spa were you when you were approached by Ghislaine Maxwell?” Maxwell’s attorney Laura Menninger asked at a May 2016 deposition.

    “Just outside the locker room, sitting where the other girl who works there usually sits,” Giuffre replied. “I was reading a book on massage therapy. … She noticed I was reading the massage book. And I started to have chitchat with her just about, you know, the body and the anatomy and how I was interested in it. And she told me that she knew somebody that was looking for a traveling masseuse. ... If the guy likes you then, you know, it will work out for you. You’ll travel. You’ll make good money.”

    During the same deposition, Giuffre said the paid massages often involved sex and led to a more permanent role traveling with Epstein, who had homes on a private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands, in New Mexico and New York. She alleged she was also instructed by Epstein and Maxwell to have sex with Epstein’s friends.

    “Name the other politically-connected and financially powerful people that Ghislaine Maxwell told you to go have sex with,” Menninger said.

    “They instructed me to have sex with George Mitchell, Jean Luc Brunel, Bill Richardson, another prince, that I don’t know his name,” Giuffre said.

    Mitchell and Richardson issued statements Friday categorically denying Giuffre’s claims.

    “The allegation contained in the released documents is false,” former Sen. Mitchell said. “I have never met, spoken with or had any contact with Ms. Giuffre. In my contacts with Mr. Epstein, I never observed or suspected any inappropriate conduct with underage girls. I only learned of his actions when they were reported in the media related to his prosecution in Florida. We have had no further contact.”

    “These allegations and inferences are completely false,” former Gov. Richardson spokeswoman Maddy Mahony said. “To be clear, in Governor Richardson’s limited interactions with Mr. Epstein, he never saw him in the presence of young or underage girls. Governor Richardson has never been to Mr. Epstein’s residence in the Virgin Islands. Governor Richardson has never met Ms. Giuffre.”

    Brunel owns a modeling business and is suing Epstein for damage to the firm as a result of reports it was used by Epstein to recruit underage girls for sex. Epstein is fighting the suit. Brunel has denied any impropriety.

    The documents released Friday come from a federal lawsuit Giuffre filed against Maxwell in New York in 2015, alleging that she facilitated Epstein’s abuse of her and other young girls. Giuffre, like other alleged victims, gave up her right to sue Epstein in exchange for a financial settlement linked to the 2008 plea deal. However, the settlement did not preclude litigation against others.

    Maxwell denied the allegations and insisted that she was unaware that any of the masseuses working for Epstein were underage. However, she settled the suit for an undisclosed sum after a district court judge ruled in March 2017 that the case should go to trial.

    The records released under the 2nd Circuit ruling are a subset of those filed in connection with Giuffre’s suit against Maxwell. Only portions of the relevant depositions were made public Friday, complicating efforts to interpret some of the witnesses statements.

    The appeals court ordered more records to be reviewed for release by a district court judge, but that process is expected to take some time.

    The court battle has lingered over the past two years as several parties pressed for more of the court record to be unsealed.

    Harvard Law Professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz moved to unseal certain documents after he was publicly accused by Giuffre of having sex with her at Epstein’s direction. Dershowitz vehemently denied the charge and said the full record of Giuffre’s statements show her to be a fabulist.

    “The release today of previously sealed documents – which I have been trying to unseal for three years, -- categorically proves that Virginia Roberts never had sex with me,” Dershowitz said in a statement. “They prove that as far back as June of 2001, Roberts never included me among the numerous people she claimed to have sex with. She invented the false accusation against me only in 2014, when her lawyers ‘pressured’ her to do so for financial reasons.”

    Dershowitz noted that an earlier book proposal from Giuffre mentioned him but made no claim she had sex with him.

    “I never met Virginia Roberts. I never had sex with an underage person. I never socialized or had sex with any woman connected to Jeffrey Epstein. Since the day I met Jeffrey Epstein, I have had sexual contact with only one woman, namely my wife,” Dershowitz added.

    Epstein, who was arrested last month in New Jersey as he arrived on a private plane from France, was denied bail.

    The newly released court records show Epstein invoked his right against self-incrimination when asked various questions in the Giuffre suit, including about whether Maxwell first encountered Giuffre at Mar-a-Lago. “Fifth,” Epstein said, apparently referring to the Fifth Amendment.

    The unsealed files don’t appear to include any allegation that Trump had sex with Giuffre or other women working for Epstein.

    Giuffre also denied aspects of a reporter’s claim that she said: “Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s. He didn’t partake in any sex with any of us but he flirted with me. He’d laugh and tell Jeffrey, ‘you’ve got the life.’”

    “’Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s.’ That part is true. ‘He didn’t partake in any’ of — any sex with any of us but he flirted with me.’ It’s true that he didn’t partake in any sex with us, but it’s not true that he flirted with me. Donald Trump never flirted with me,” Giuffre clarified later.

    Epstein was once reportedly a regular at the resort, although he was never a member. Trump later banned Epstein from the property, allegedly due to a sexual assault on a girl there, according to previously disclosed court records.

    “I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him,” Trump told reporters at the White House after Epstein’s arrest last month. “I had a falling out a long time ago, I’d say maybe 15 years. … I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you.”

    In a comment to New York Magazine for a 2002 profile of Epstein, Trump called the financial whiz “a terrific guy” and acknowledged that he likes women “on the younger side.”

    The documents released Friday include Giuffre’s employment records from Mar-a-Lago, showing she was paid $1866.50 by the resort in 2000. The court files also include a letter of recommendation Trump wrote for Giuffre’s father, who worked in maintenance at the resort and helped her get a job there.

    Flight logs for Epstein’s private planes show Trump as a passenger on at least one flight, in January 1997 from Palm Beach to Newark.

    The logs and depositions of Epstein’s pilots also detail former President Bill Clinton’s use of Epstein’s planes to travel around the world for the Clinton Foundation and to make paid speeches.

    “President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York,” Clinton spokesman Angel Urena said last month.

    “He’s not spoken to Epstein in well over a decade, and has never been to Little St. James Island, Epstein’s ranch in New Mexico, or his residence in Florida.”
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    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    Epstein accuser says she was told to have sex with Gov. Richardson
    Aug. 10, 2019


    A woman who says convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein kept her as a teenage sex slave claims in a sworn deposition that a woman who served as the New York financier's procurer directed her to have sex with Bill Richardson while he was governor of New Mexico.

    Epstein died early Saturday from an apparent suicide.

    A spokeswoman for Richardson, who has not been charged with any crime, denied Friday that he has ever met Virginia Giuffre, who says in her deposition that she was ordered to provide erotic massages and sex to several powerful men associated with Epstein.

    Richardson's name showed up in a 2016 deposition ordered released Friday by a federal judge as part of a 2,000-page cache of documents in a defamation lawsuit Giuffre filed against Ghislaine Maxwell, a former Epstein girlfriend who has been described as the billionaire's "madam."

    "In several depositions — excerpts of which were included in the documents unsealed Friday — Giuffre said that Maxwell would send her to have erotic 'massages' and sexual encounters with various powerful men," including Richardson, the Daily Beast reported Friday.

    Epstein had been facing federal charges in New York of sex trafficking and conspiracy to traffic minors for sex in that state and Florida. The New York Times, which said Epstein hanged himself, quoted officials as saying his body was found at 7:30 a.m. Saturday in his Manhattan cell.

    Dozens of accusers say they were underage, some as young as 14, when Epstein allegedly sexually abused them.

    The Daily Beast quoted part of the deposition in which Giuffre said, "They instructed me to go to (former U.S. Sen.) George Mitchell, (modeling agent) Jean-Luc Brunel, Bill Richardson, another prince that I don't know his name. A guy that owns a hotel, a really large hotel chain, I can't remember which hotel it was."

    Mitchell and Brunel also have denied Giuffre's allegations, the Miami Herald reportedFriday.

    Giuffre has claimed she was forced to have encounters with men including Britain's Prince Andrew, Epstein's lawyer Alan Dershowitz, the late MIT scientist Marvin Minsky and others. The prince and Dershowitz — who has sued Giuffre for defamation — have denied the allegations.

    The Daily Beast noted that "court documents unsealed on Friday did not contain any corroboration or further details, though many documents remain sealed."

    Defamation suits Giuffre filed against Maxwell and Epstein were settled in 2017.

    Richardson spokeswoman Madeleine Mahony said in a statement Friday, "These allegations and inferences are completely false. Gov. Richardson has never even been contacted by any party regarding this lawsuit. To be clear, in Gov. Richardson's limited interactions with Mr. Epstein, he never saw him in the presence of young or underage girls. Gov. Richardson has never been to Mr. Epstein's residence in the Virgin Islands. Gov. Richardson has never met Ms. Giuffre."

    Current Attorney General Hector Balderas said last month his office is looking into possible criminal activity by Epstein in New Mexico and will turn over any evidence to federal prosecutors.

    Epstein owns the secluded, 10,000-acre Zorro Ranch in southern Santa Fe County, which he purchased from former Gov. Bruce King in the early 1990s. On that property is a 26,700-square-foot hilltop mansion as well as a small airplane hangar and airstrip.

    Epstein also owns properties in New York, Florida and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

    Epstein was generous to Richardson in his two successful gubernatorial campaigns, contributing $50,000 in 2002 and 2006.

    Richardson was one of several New Mexico politicians whose campaigns got money from Epstein. Others include former Attorney General Gary King — Bruce King's son — in 2006 and 2014, former state Land Commissioner Jim Baca, who was seeking another term in 2006, and former Santa Fe County Sheriff Greg Solano in 2006.

    Richardson during the 2006 campaign donated Epstein's contribution to charity after the Palm Beach, Fla., police chief went public with accusations that Epstein was recruiting girls for sex. In a controversial plea bargain that many have called a sweetheart deal, Epstein eventually pleaded guilty to soliciting sex.

    Richardson's name appears in Epstein's infamous "little black book," which was stolen from the billionaire by one of his butlers and became evidence in a court case against the butler. Others whose names and phone numbers appear in the book are the late former Gov. King, the real estate company of former state Rep. Rhonda King, Bruce King's niece, which sold the Zorro Ranch property; John Kelly, who is listed as "attorney general" but served as U.S. attorney for New Mexico through most of the 1990s, and the Santa Fe Institute.

    The "black book" also contains phone numbers for several women or girls, listed only by first names under the heading "Massage — New Mexico."

    Last month the New York Times reported Epstein had confided to scientists and others about a scheme to "seed the human race with his DNA" by impregnating women at the Zorro ranch.
  3. Red

    Red TZT Neckbeard

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    Can we all chip in and get a private tzt island? Not for banging kids but mostly for Mario Kart and GoldenEye parties.
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  4. Arogarn

    Arogarn TZT Neckbeard

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    Epstein has a deadman's switch with leverage over elites worldwide in a myriad of political ideologies. He's been extracted from the jail with a suicide cover up and is probably banging kids on Lolita island right now.
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    Questions swirl around Epstein’s monitoring before suicide


    NEW YORK (AP) — One of Jeffrey Epstein’s guards the night he hanged himself in his federal jail cell wasn’t a regular correctional officer, according to a person familiar with the detention center, which is now under scrutiny for what Attorney General William Barr on Monday called “serious irregularities.”

    Epstein, 66, was found Saturday morning in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, a jail previously renowned for its ability to hold notorious prisoners under extremely tight security.

    “I was appalled, and indeed the whole department was, and frankly angry to learn of the MCC’s failure to adequately secure this prisoner,” Barr said at a police conference in New Orleans. “We are now learning of serious irregularities at this facility that are deeply concerning and demand a thorough investigation. The FBI and the office of inspector general are doing just that.”

    He added: “We will get to the bottom of what happened and there will be accountability.”

    In the days since Epstein’s death while awaiting charges that he sexually abused underage girls, a portrait has begun to emerge of Manhattan’s federal detention center as a chronically understaffed facility that possibly made a series of missteps in handling its most high-profile inmate.

    Epstein had been placed on suicide watch after he was found in his cell a little over two weeks ago with bruises on his neck. But he had been taken off that watch at the end of July and returned to the jail’s special housing unit.

    There, Epstein was supposed to have been checked on by a guard about every 30 minutes. But investigators have learned those checks weren’t done for several hours before Epstein was found unresponsive, according to a person familiar with the episode. That person was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and also spoke on condition of anonymity.

    A second person familiar with operations at the jail said one of the two people guarding Epstein in the hours before he was found with a bedsheet around his neck wasn’t a correctional officer, but a fill-in who had been pressed into service because of staffing shortfalls. That person also wasn’t authorized to disclose information about the investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity.

    It wasn’t clear what the substitute’s regular job was, but federal prisons facing shortages of fully trained guards have resorted to having other types of support staff fill in for correctional officers, including clerical workers and teachers.

    The news that one of Epstein’s guards wasn’t a correctional officer was first reported by The New York Times.

    The manner in which Epstein killed himself has not been announced publicly by government officials. An autopsy was performed Sunday, but New York City Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Barbara Sampson said investigators were awaiting further information. A private pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden, observed the autopsy at the request of Epstein’s lawyers.

    The Associated Press does not typically report on details of suicide, but has made an exception because Epstein’s cause of death is pertinent to the ongoing investigations.

    The House Judiciary Committee demanded answers from the Bureau of Prisons about Epstein’s death. Committee chairman Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat, and the panel’s top Republican, Georgia Rep. Doug Collins, wrote the bureau’s acting director Monday with several questions about the conditions in the prison, including details on the bureau’s suicide prevention program.

    Inmates on suicide watch in federal jails are subjected to 24 hours per day of “direct, continuous observation,” according to U.S. Bureau of Prisons policy. They are also issued tear-resistant clothing to thwart attempts to fashion nooses and are placed in cells that are stripped of furniture or fixtures they could use to kill themselves.

    Those watches, though, generally last only 72 hours before someone is either moved into a medical facility or put back into less intensive monitoring.

    The jail does have a video surveillance system, but federal standards don’t allow the use of cameras to monitor areas where prisoners are likely to be undressed unless those cameras are monitored only by staff members of the same gender as the inmates. As a practical matter, that means most federal jails nationwide focus cameras on common areas, rather than cell bunks.

    Lindsay Hayes, a nationally recognized expert on suicide prevention behind bars, said that cameras are often ineffective because they require a staff member to be dedicated full time to monitoring the video feed 24 hours a day.

    “It only takes three to five minutes for someone to hang themselves,” said Hayes, a project director for the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives. “If no one is watching the screen, then the camera is useless. There are a lot of suicides that just end up being recorded.”

    On the morning of Epstein’s apparent suicide, guards on his unit were working overtime shifts to make up for staffing shortages, one person familiar with the matter said. The person said one guard was working a fifth straight day of overtime and another was working mandatory overtime.

    Epstein’s death cut short a prosecution that could have pulled back the curtain on his activities and his connections to celebrities and presidents, though Barr vowed Monday that the case will continue “against anyone who was complicit with Epstein.”

    “Any co-conspirators should not rest easy. The victims deserve justice and they will get it,” he said.

    According to police reports obtained by the AP, investigators believed Epstein had a team of recruiters and employees who lined up underage girls for him.

    ABC News aired video Monday of FBI agents and police arriving by boat at a private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands where Epstein had an estate.

    In a court filing Monday, Epstein’s accusers said that an agreement he negotiated with federal prosecutors in Florida over a decade ago to grant immunity to his possible accomplices should be thrown out now that he is dead. Under that 2008 agreement, Epstein pleaded guilty to prostitution-related state charges and served 13 months behind bars.

    At the time of his death, Epstein was being held without bail and faced up to 45 years in prison on federal sex trafficking and conspiracy charges unsealed last month.

    Epstein’s death is the latest black eye for the Bureau of Prisons, which was already was under fire over the October beating death of Boston gangster James “Whitey” Bulger at a federal prison in West Virginia. The bureau is part of the Justice Department and falls under the attorney general’s supervision.

    Taken together, the two deaths underscore “serious issues surrounding a lack of leadership” within the bureau, said Cameron Lindsay, a former warden who ran three federal lockups, including the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn.

    A defense attorney for Epstein, Marc Fernich, also faulted jail officials, saying they “recklessly put Mr. Epstein in harm’s way” and failed to protect him.

    Staffing shortages worsened by a partial government shutdown prompted inmates at the New York City jail to stage a hunger strike in January after they were denied family and lawyer visits.

    Eight months later, the jail remains so short-staffed that the Bureau of Prisons is offering guards a $10,000 bonus to transfer there from other federal lockups.

    In the wake of Epstein’s suicide, union president Eric Young of the American Federation of Government Employees Council of Prison Locals said a Trump administration hiring freeze at the Bureau of Prisons has led to thousands of vacancies and created “dangerous conditions” for prison workers and inmates.

    In a statement, Young said that teachers, clerical workers and other support staff are regularly used to fill in for guards, and many guards are regularly forced to work 70- and 80-hour weeks.

    Suicide has long been the leading cause of death in U.S. jails overall. In the federal system, suicides are rarer. At least 124 inmates killed themselves while in federal custody between fiscal years 2010 and 2016, according to the most recent statistics available from the Bureau of Prisons.


    This story has been corrected to show that O.J. Simpson’s murder trial was in 1995, not 1994.
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  7. Sear

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    Maybe the real Epstein conspiracy is the friends he made along the way.

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  9. Skars

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    I used to laugh at Asti and his 'conspiracy theory" shit.

    But fuck it's pretty suspicious. Is it really that crazy to think someone bribed a prison guard to turn their back for 10 minutes and murder the guy?

    Rich people will do pretty much anything to protect their wealth, I don't think that's really debatable.
  10. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    A lot of it comes down to white supremacists/dominionists/zionists working together

    foreign powers with capable sigint seem to have all the information on these people, since these people all seem to be based out of western or allied nations besides the Russian oligarchs

    whether they kill epstein, the Chinese/Russians/Iranians know everything about who's doing what now

    you will see criminal organizations taken over by foreign governments after being shaken down, same with politicians, all because of blackmail and or they are bought ala capitalism
  11. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    If you don't believe he was murdered lol, this guys neck was broken, he supposedly had to kneel down to hang himself under the bunk.

    I've seen a lot of people hang (Iran hangs by suffocation, lifts you up by a crane) and they don't break their own necks, you either drop and it breaks and that's a lot of force, or someone breaks it. Being hung just makes you suffocate, you won't break your own neck.
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    What is the alternative sequence of events though? Do necks often break when attempting to murder somebody by strangulation?
  13. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    breaking a neck is an actual combat move or from fighting strangulation, lots of force being applied either way

    You will not break your spine from body weight suffocation, I can show you an endless amount of current executions that revolve around this
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    Velox TZT Abuser

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    To be honest, even if I did spend my Saturday night watching people hanging from cranes in Iran, I'm not confident that I could spot if their neck was damaged or not in the process.
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    I think it's probable one could break their neck by kneeling on the floor with a slip knot around their neck. The hyoid bone breaks sometimes in hangings, but it's more commonly found in strangulation, at least according to the articles being published. Due to his age and odd way of hanging himself, I find it irrational to claim it couldn't have broken any other way, especially if he flailed about violently.

    That said, if it was suicide, I am assuming the dude had to use a slip knot of some sort. If he's on his knees, he just has to basically lay there to cut the circulation of blood from his brain, which takes less than 10 seconds. Maybe he struggled, but if he wanted to stop it, all he had to do was push himself up, so it doesn't make sense, at least in my mind, why he would have broken that bone.
  16. Red

    Red TZT Neckbeard

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    The reddit tells me 1 in 4 people in his age bracket break bones when hanging themselves
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    Red TZT Neckbeard

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  18. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    I don't believe he made a knot out of a bed sheet.

    I'll hang you in LA if you want Velox

    I know where you all are, legitimately

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  19. Red

    Red TZT Neckbeard

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    I have seen plenty of knots from bed sheets and people kill themselves in cells. But it is kinda crazy how this fella with all this dirt on important people kills himself after both of the COs fall asleep.
  20. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    I'm not saying you can't, that's obvious you can, i'm saying how would he have that figured out within such a short time being confined

    Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Democrats/Republicans, Israeli's, Europeans, Saudis are all in his blackbook.