Edited to: Help Arogarn get the PC he's putting together to POST

Discussion in 'Tech Heads' started by Arogarn, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. Solayce

    Solayce Would you like some making **** BERSERKER!!! Staff Member

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    Also, that 4pin plug needs to receive some love. That's your problem right there.


    ...other than a blown johnsonrod/alternator/lupus/aids/etc
     
  2. Marglar

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    I dunno, I have the same 4 pin open on my moboard. it came with an adaptor for a 4 pin molex if I wanted to run more fans. it should only need the main 20(+4) plug imo.

    these things are so much easier to figure out in person when you can play with all the plugs and see everything in person.
     
  3. Arogarn

    Arogarn TZT Neckbeard

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    When I said 20pin earlier, I mispoke. It's a 24pin connector (none separated) coming from my PSU and a 24pin female on the motherboard that fits fine. All my fans and everything spin up fine too, including the fan on the heatsink.

    I've never tried to overclock and I'd have to read up a lot on it before I tried to do anything, this system is gonna be incredibly more than enough for my friend, but I'll keep that in mind for future reference if I'm building a system or if we want to upgrade his RAM.

    I thought I read the same thing about how it supported DDR2 800 because utumno said he didn't check the RAM for compatibility, so I looked into a lot to make sure it was compatible. I've used the manual a LOT and I think I did everything according to it but I guess I can try de-assembling everything and doing it step by step according to the manual. You guys really haven't encountered anything like that 4pin connector for a CPU though?

    Again, I cannot express how grateful I am for the support you guys are giving me, and I'm sorry if I'm being a hassle looking all this shit up.
     
  4. Solayce

    Solayce Would you like some making **** BERSERKER!!! Staff Member

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    I had started typing that awhile back, before I hit send. I think Marg posted the specs and it looks legit, just fyi for next time.

    Also, if you have a 24 -> 24 already then I am stumped.
     
  5. Arogarn

    Arogarn TZT Neckbeard

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    Do you guys think it's worth it to try to find an adapter for that, or do you think I may need to RMA the board afterall?
     
  6. Solayce

    Solayce Would you like some making **** BERSERKER!!! Staff Member

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    What does the manual say about the socket? If I still couldn't figure it out, I would.

    Also, it could be proc, too.
     
  7. Marglar

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    the stupid motherboard should have came with an adaptor to be more universal with power supplies, if it needs that to be plugged in. do you have a 12v rail free that you would otherwise plug in to the video card for testing purposes? pop that bitch in there and try to turn it on.

    if you do RMA the board I would rather exchange it personally. I read a lot of negative things on newegg despite the overall decent rating it got. pick a customers choice award board around the same cost so you get something more people are happy with.
     
  8. Arogarn

    Arogarn TZT Neckbeard

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    Well I'm gonna go ahead and RMA the board. Do you guys have any experience with boards that you'd reccomend me using with the other components I'm using?
     
  9. Marglar

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    you can always check a local PC shop for the adaptor, should only be 2-5 $. worth a shot!
     
  10. Marglar

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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=13-128-373-S03&ISList=13-128-373-S01%2c13-128-373-S02%2c13-128-373-S03%2c13-128-373-S04%2c13-128-373-S05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16813128373&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=GIGABYTE%20GA-MA78G-DS3HP%20ATX%20AMD%20Motherboard%20-%20Retail

    for a similar price, AM2+ platform I think that is a solid moboard. Bias towards my brand preference.
     
  11. Arogarn

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    Yeah I swung by The Computer Place which is actually a pretty gangster PC shop just down the road. One of the pins on the Socket is actually bent too. I don't think I did it cuz I was extremely careful mounting it but I could have fucked it up. I'm not sure exactly when it happened cuz we were fucking with it for a while, but he already like ordered the RMA so we figure we'll switch it out since they are often DOA.

    That won't support the Intel Core 2 Duo tho will it
     
  12. Marglar

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    I wouldn't say often but it's not impossible. stuff slips by the q/c cracks or damages in shipping..

    pretty easy to bend pins if you aren't careful, intels latest line of stuff seems impossible to screw up and bend pins though.

    I hope they accept your RMA - often times when they see bent pins they blame the user :p
     
  13. Arogarn

    Arogarn TZT Neckbeard

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    Yikes really? In which case they'd what, charge me shipping and give the same one back? It came with a pin protector cap thing on it, but worse comes to worst I grab a mechanical pencil and work on repairing that. It's only one so I should be able to get that back up. One pin would definitely fuck up the whole processor and cause exactly the problem I'm having tho, right?
     
  14. Marglar

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    I am uncertain how much has to be fucked up in order to cause the problems you are having, im pretty sure each metal contact on the bottom of the proc needs to make contact with a pin... scary stuff when you start sending electricity through shit that is just floating around. I hope your CPU didn't become damaged from it.. you might want to RMA that too for shits and giggles lol
     
  15. Arogarn

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    Damn are you serious? I didn't think I was going to run into this many issues putting a rig together. I was actually extremely gentle with the processor and softly made sure it was seated correctly. Also there are guiding pins that fit very snugly so I don't see how I really could have bent it. How many times can you like RMA something, I've never really fucked with this kind of thing.
     
  16. Wols Rellik

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    You've already done extensive troubleshooting so I can't really offer much, but a few tidbits in regards to power, which is what I think is failing on you.

    1) Make sure your motherboard has the 20/24 motherboard power connector connected, either by a straight 20/24 pin to 20/24 pin, or a 20+4 into 24 depending on your PSU and motherboard.

    2) Make sure your video card has sufficient amount of power, either by a single or a dual connector (depends on your video card).

    3) Make sure your CPU has power (most motherboards today do not power the CPU through the 20/24-pin connector alone, instead the CPU will have it's own power connector) either by a single 4-pin connector - known as ATX12V CPU 4-Pin, or if it's a higher end / more than one CPU, 8-pin (most likely 2x4) connector known as EPS12V CPU 8-Pin.

    If your motherboard have the 8-pin EPS12V connector, one of the 4-pins of the pair will most likely be shielded by a plastic plug upon purchase. Remove this plug if you wish to insert 2x4 or 1x8 (depending on PSU) to give your CPU more power. Note that if you remove this plastic plug without connecting all 8 pins, your computer may not POST.

    It is highly unlikely that a single CPU will need to be connected with more than 4-pin, the EPS12V variant (8-pin) are, most of the times only needed when you have more than 1 CPU in your motherboard or if you overclock extremely. Either way, if your motherboard supports EPS12V 8-pin, there's never any harm in using it.

    This connector (4- / 8-pin) will be located very close to your CPU, in most cases directly above it. Do NOT use a 6-pin from your PSU and plug this into one of the 4-pins (or 6 into 8), this will harm your CPU - it is imperative that you indeed use your 4-pin or 8-pin connector for this (most often labeled "CPU" on your PSU cable).

    Finally, if your motherboard only have the ATX12V 4-pin CPU variant while your PSU has the EPS12V 8-pin variant, it is easily fixed by a small adapter cable worth a few dollars. If I were to wager a guess - and this is only a guess - you may not even need an adapter cable, you can most likely simply plug in matching 4 of your PSU's 8-pin CPU connector into the CPU 4-pin connector - but I don't know for certain that it will work, since I've never had to try it.

    Hope it helps,

    Wols
     
  17. Arogarn

    Arogarn TZT Neckbeard

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    Did you read the whole thread? Most of those issues were covered, but I even posted pictures and we were discussing the 2x2 power connector labeled ATX12V which I did some research on and was pretty sure it was the CPU power. The board's out of my hands now, but I'll certainly get one of those adapters and try that next time in. Thanks a lot dude your post was very helpful.
     
  18. Dummywummy

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    I am interested in the outcome here, UPDATE PLZ
     
  19. Arogarn

    Arogarn TZT Neckbeard

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    Still waiting on the board RMA but I'll be sure to post results in this thread.
     
  20. Arogarn

    Arogarn TZT Neckbeard

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    So my friend just told me that the board got refunded instead of RMA'd, so I can pick a new board if I want. Think I should roll with the same one, or pick up a different one?