2020 election cycle thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by AgelessDrifter, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    Lol biden is awful, you're completely disconnected if you believe that

    that's a real stupid opinion

    I guarantee I could do a better job at anything than Velox and I'm a millennial, anything, being his mother's/father's son, anything.
     
  2. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    I like to spam, but some of your brains are leaking constantly
     
  3. Kilinitic

    Kilinitic 6,000 feet beyond man and time

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    I wouldn’t vote for some loser like Biden. I’d rather trump be president.
     
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  4. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    I believe that without sarcasm, I would rather trump destroy everything than let these idiots win
     
  5. Kilinitic

    Kilinitic 6,000 feet beyond man and time

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    U guys r all old + out of touch
     
  6. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    I just want the war supporters and zionists supporters to die, and they will
     
  7. AgelessDrifter

    AgelessDrifter TZT Neckbeard Lord

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    I think Red's got this thing pegged

     
  8. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    No, we need like a 13 year old kid who explains rubiks cubes

     
  9. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    It's time for the US to focus on the US and abandon its ambitions in the Middle East and Asia, they have lost Asia entirely.

    Africa will be the future for conflict, but we will lose there also. Our culture is corrupt with no cohesion, it's easy to buy influence and loyalty, we are not an honorable people.
     
  10. Sear

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    If you think there's a substantial % of left voters who wouldn't vote after 4 years of Trump, I have to disagree with you on that. Why do you think Clinton lost Florida? The demographic of voters she lost the most (compared to Obama) were primarily old/uneducated white people from rural areas and blacks. This we already know: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...es-that-cost-hillary-clinton-the-us-election/

    So we can speculate about how many of those voters are "Bernie or bust bros protesting by not voting" vs. how many were swayed by the prospect of voting for a rich old white woman, but I'm pretty fucking sure it's more of the latter.

    Even in some hypothetical scenario where there's a large segment of far-left voters that are key to winning 2020, I think many who sat out the vote in 2016 did so under the widespread assumption that Trump had no chance anyway (or that his presidency wouldn't be far off the status quo). That won't be the case for 2020.

    I'm not worried about any candidate getting the lifelong Democrat's vote in 2020. I'm worried about them getting the battleground state votes that Hillary failed to get. Trotting out another rich old white woman probably isn't the solution (seems more like "we learned nothing from 2016" to me). Especially one who seemingly used faux Native American heritage to advance her position at Harvard. Do you think the blacks and rural whites in your home state are going to turn out for that?
     
  11. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

    Kanmuk_Sealclubber Yes

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    I don’t want to see a push towards centrism and a strategy that revolves around fighting over “swing” voters.

    I’d rather see a strategy oriented
    towards energizing the base and mobilizing youth, minority and progressive voters. Biden will always have progressive cred for the gay marriage thing, but he’s a centrist. Beto doesn’t seem to be very progressive, either, but I don’t know much about him.

    I’d love to see a progressive like Warren run. I can get over the heritage gaffe. The last thing I want is for the Dems to nominate a centrist because they are “electable”. I’d rather deal with four more years of Trump, who would ruin a lot of lives, but would at least set the table for a real progressive in 2024.
     
  12. Sear

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    That argument makes more sense and I was actually going to bring it up myself (the snowball effect of generating momentum & enthusiasm). It's something that Clinton failed to do and Bernie succeeded with.

    I don't think Warren offers the best odds for that, though. She'd do better than Clinton but that's not saying much. I think Beto brings more to the table there and Biden carries a lot of support in key demographics (plus the shine of being Obama's BFF for 8 years). That's just the ticket I see offering the best chance of winning.
     
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  13. AgelessDrifter

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    Wait that's literally exactly my argument except he said "youth, minority and progressive" where I said "leftist." I'm talking about people left of the core of the Democratic party, not full communards, here
     
  14. Sear

    Sear TZT Neckbeard Lord

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    I agree with energizing and mobilizing the base as a high priority. I don't agree with this:

    And I wouldn't assume that 4 more years of Trump is going to set the table for a real progressive in 2024.

    I'd like to see the Dems win in 2020, period. That means finding a balance between pushing a progressive agenda and corralling the votes necessary to win.
     
  15. AgelessDrifter

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    I'm with you there--I don't think another win for Trump in 2020 results in anything good for anybody at any point.

    I'm with you there, too--I just don't agree about what "not learning from 2016" means. I don't think the lesson was America is not ready for a woman, or that America isn't ready for someone more progressive like Warren--who's not even as progressive as Bernie. I think "not learning from 2016" would mean picking the centrist candidate whose turn it happens to be because they're "more electable"
     
  16. Sear

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    Sure, we don't want another Hillary Clinton. I was one of the few here who was all in on Bernie while others regurgitated the party line about her being the pragmatic choice. So I have no problem getting behind a progressive candidate, if one emerges who I believe can win.

    The difference here is I don't think Warren is 2016 Bernie, and I don't think Biden or Beto are Clinton. I'd be curious to hear why you guys think Warren is the right candidate.

    The lesson is that it was and still is a disadvantage to be female. As much as I'd relish the sight of Trump conceding defeat to a woman, I'm not going to underestimate the undercurrent of sexism in America & how that will impact voting.
     
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  17. Sear

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    I'll concede that I could be wrong about Warren since this is all pure speculation. Maybe she rights all of Hillary's wrongs in her campaign strategy (i.e., has more energy than a dead fish, doesn't condescend to the working class, etc) and we witness a Bernie-like groundswell of grassroots support that leads to a cathartic victory over Trump.

    That would be wonderful, but I'll just reiterate the red flags I see: this is still a rich old white woman who will get relentlessly pummeled for her opportunistic faux-heritage at Harvard. There are other progressive candidates who don't have those caveats (including Bernie), so why bother with the additional risk?
     
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  18. Red

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    Joe Rogan 2020: It's entirely possible
     
  19. Sear

    Sear TZT Neckbeard Lord

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  20. Red

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