2018 NBA Ageless Dirker White Mamba Scalabrine Clambake

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  1. BRIAN SCALABRINE THE GOAT

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  2. Dirk Nowitzki

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  3. Luka Doncic

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  4. Delly

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  5. Joe Ingles

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  6. Rick Barry shooting granny free throws

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  7. Shawn Bradley (Space Jam star, stormin mormon, rape victim of Shaq)

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  8. Darko Milicic, Detroit Legend

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  9. Bill Murray

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  1. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    I don’t think it’s a choke job. But I think LeBron and Magic clearly overestimated the ability of a 34 year-old to carry scrubs and attract stars. This isn’t 2012 beastmode LeBron anymore.

    The Lakers could have continued building their team properly and not derailed shit for an aging star.

    LeBron could have joined probably 21 teams and been a conference finals threat. But he wanted the glamour of saving the LAKERS (probably). The team with the worst shooters in the NBA.

    It does take a little bit of the shine off his mythos. At 34, it’s probably unfair. But many writers and statisticians have (correctly) lauded him for his carry jobs over his career. Now he’s probably going to finish with a losing record.
     
  2. Utumno

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    Dat Space Jam 2 tho
     
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    LeBron fully embracing his role in the meme team

     
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  4. Sear

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    I'm still trying to comprehend why they traded Zubac for Mike Muscala. Or signed up for one year of Rajon Rondo while letting Julius Randle walk (for just $9M). Or passed on signing Brook Lopez.

    Playoff Mode might be off the table, but maybe there's still time for Lebron to activate Passive-Aggressive Bitch Mode? Give Luke a bump and hands-on-hips scowl at the young guys?



    https://sports.yahoo.com/rajon-rondo-sits-away-lakers-150003579.html

    Looks like Rondo is heating up. You can always count on him to act like a toxic cunt when times are tough.

    Magic must have known this when he signed these wily vets. :giggle:
     
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  5. Sear

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    That's when I knew I was the greatest of all time. When I bumped Coach Spo and my superteam got blown out by Dirk and a 38-year old Jason Kidd.
     
  6. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    Rockets looking good. Still the best (and only) threat to GS, imo.

    I feel like Milwuakee is too young, although they aren't actaully THAT young. Their top 6 guys are 24 (Giannis), 26, 27, 27, 29, and 30.
     
  7. Utumno

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    Fuckin Rockets.... why can't we go back to early season when they were looking like garbage.
     
  8. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    I blame Magic/Pelinka -> LeBron -> the Lakers players -> Walton in that order.

    I can’t imagine derailing a youth movement in order to build around 34 year old ageing star. This isn’t hindsight criticism, we were saying this last year. LeBron isn’t lightyears better than the entire league anymore, and surrounding him with garbage that can’t shoot was a terrible decision. Playing hardball with the Pelicans and alienating your entire team didn’t help. But mostly, the decision to build around LeBron as though it’s 2009 was retarded.

    I blame LeBron himself for the same reason. It was a bad decision to try to rebuild a dynasty from scratch. I would actually give him credit for taking the challenge if I believed for a second he thought it would be this hard. I speculate he thought other stars would flock to him and they’d be a contender already.

    I give the rest of the Lakers players slight blame because they are weiners.

    Walton can’t do anything, so I give him almost no blame.

    There’s still time to fix it, but they need another star to decide to come carry it in the off-season.
     
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    Well, for all we know Kawhi and AD still want to play there and might be on the roster within a couple years. It still means a couple wasted years for Lebron as his career will be winding down.

    I also think LeBron is already starting to focus on his post-basketball career and LA gives him the opportunities to expand further in the entertainment industry
     
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    I thought we all expected LA to be a shit team anyway, despite LeBron being there. I think the media is blowing this out of proportion a little bit because LA looked semi-competent for the first 1/3 of the season, and then the AD thing happened and was a media fiasco. Now the media can’t stop talking about how bad they are
     
  11. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    I didn’t expect them to be 37 wins bad. Their Pythagorean W-L (expected wins based on point differential) is actually worse than it was last year. I didn’t expect them to trade LeBron for Julius Randle and get worse.
     
  12. Utumno

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    The media is echo chamber certainly is wearing on me. Not just for the LeBron stuff, but good fucking god if I have to hear yet one more hot fucking take on whether or not Kyrie is either in a good mood or shitting on his teammates this particular hour I'm going to blow a gasket. Sometimes the shit is funny but usually it's just the same old shit re-hashed.

    Also, the only dynasty LeBron interested in rebuilding right now.....

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  13. Sear

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    Kawhi isn't interested. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...nt-want-to-join-lakers-play-with-lebron-james

    AD might be, but there are going to be a lot of other teams offering max contracts this offseason. This is on Magic/Pelinka (and Lebron to a slightly lesser extent) to make something happen.

    The media probably is piling on too much, but that's sort of how it goes with the Lakers and Lebron, isn't it? It's not like they're Dirk/Duncan and avoid being in the limelight. Most of this board and the NBA analysts worth a shit accurately predicted that the Lakers making the playoffs in this conference wasn't a guarantee, but expectations are going to be high when your team has a "promising young core" and just signed Lebron James.

    They've done a hell of a job pivoting from Playoff Mode to Tank Mode, though. Lonzo and Ingram are both done for the season and Lebron will be on a minutes restriction. They already have a 12% chance of the Top 4 pick (which could be as high as 40% by the end of the season).
     
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  15. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    I didn't' really know what to expect with the Lakers. I didn't think it would be easy, but LeBron has a history of carrying garbage, and I woudlnt have been surprised with anything between 45 and 55 wins. I *AM* surprised that they are likely to come in somewhere around the same win total as last year. The Lakers should have been a 40 win-calibre team on their own, without LeBron, just from experience.

    But I don't think (regular season LeBron) is the same guy. Other stars are getting better, he is regressing. He is 8th in PER, 6th in RPM and his TS% of 59.3 is still good, but is lagging behind other stars. Still elite, but can we say, in the REGULAR SEASON, LeBron is better than any of Harden, Curry, Durant, Giannis, Jokic, George, Kawhi, AD or Embiid? I would take all nine of those guys over LeBron right now. The media are knobs that want the drama, but I think there IS a story there, in that this is the beginning of the end for a guy that dominated the NBA narrative for the last decade. Look at the gap between peak Miami LeBron and the rest of the NBA:

    11-12 LeBron.JPG LeBron 12-13.JPG

    That's gone.
     
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    I was just going through some of the primitive advanced stats for the PLAYOFFS.

    Career Playoff PER:
    Playoff PER.JPG

    Offensive Win Shares:
    Offensive Win Shares.JPG

    Defensive Win Shares:
    defensive win shares.JPG

    Win Shares per 48:
    Winshares48.JPG

    Box Plus/Minus:
    BPM.JPG

    Value Over Replacement Player (lol at this gap):
    VORP.JPG


    Even I've turned on LeBron this year, but playoff LeBron is a monster that we may not see again for a long time.
     

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  17. Sear

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    I'd take all nine of those guys over him too (helps that they're all younger).

    Lebron's advanced stats still look great for this season, and I think that might be a little misleading tbh. I'm not sure he's a great defensive player anymore based on what I saw this season. He's getting older and doesn't have the same energy to commit to it on every possession.

    His FG/TS% is great, but his midrange game is virtually nonexistent now (Durant takes 2.5x as many shots from 16-23ft) as he plays more in the mold of Harden/Curry with added emphasis on layups. Not to take anything away from Lebron, but I tend to take PER with a grain of salt when Javale McGee and Enes Kanter are 20+ PER players. It's flawed to the point that I feel like it's not even more useful than basic statistics.

    Lebron's shooting has been somewhat overrated for his entire career. Shooting 34.4% from the three is only slightly above-average in the modern NBA. Shooting free throws at a 65.8% clip is just bad. Players like Curry and Durant make him look like an antique of a bygone era when it comes to this.
     
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    PER explains 79% of the variance in offensive team efficiency and 0.2% of the variance in defensive team efficiency, according to Alex Petralia. So it’s a pretty good indicator of offensive ability, and a dogshit one for defensive ability. We have discussed this before, but I think it greatly overvalues rebounds (particularly garbage defensive ones that anyone would get) and guys like Kanter and McGee feast on those.

    Yeah, LeBron is not a good shooter. League average is usually in that 35-36% range. Outside of two years in Miami, he has never really topped that consistently. His midrange numbers and FT% (as you pointed out) are not good. His dominance is from driving, transition and other ways of killing people in the paint.

    It’s weird to think of him as washed, when just last year he murdered in the playoffs. But, during the regular season last year he wasn’t his usual self, either. He can’t do it for 82 games anymore.
     
  19. Utumno

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    Aging is a bitch.
     
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    Tell that to Tom Brady.