2018 NBA Ageless Dirker White Mamba Scalabrine Clambake

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WHITE MAMBA

  1. BRIAN SCALABRINE THE GOAT

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  2. Dirk Nowitzki

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  3. Luka Doncic

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  4. Delly

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  5. Joe Ingles

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  6. Rick Barry shooting granny free throws

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  7. Shawn Bradley (Space Jam star, stormin mormon, rape victim of Shaq)

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  8. Darko Milicic, Detroit Legend

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  9. Bill Murray

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  1. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    The Spurs are interesting. The take a lot of midrange 2s. They are number 1 in 2-point field goal attempts per game. But only 19th in 2-point fg%. They are also deadlast in shot attempts within 5 feet of the basket and FIRST in midrange attempts. They are 28th in 3PA and 18th in FTA. Basically, they take all the shots the math tells you not to take, and none of the shots the math tells you to take, They are the anti-Rockets.

    BUT,#1 in both 3P% and FT%. And they are #2 (lowest) in turnover percentage.

    The interesting question is, do they turn the ball over so little and shoot so well at 3s because they shoot so many midrange 2s? Is there value in making the opponents defend the entire floor that leads to open 3s? Is there value in slow, safe iso plays instead of constantly whipping the ball around hunting for 3s? Or constantly driving into traffic? Or maybe SA scores despite their shot selection because they just have good shooters.
     
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  2. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    Who is second last in fg attempts within 5 feet of the basket? Who is second in midrange FGA? The Golden State Warriors.

    Now, GS takes a decent amount of 3s (12th in the league) and they turn it over more than the Spurs (14th in the league) while playing a faster pace (10th). And they are so talented it probably doesn't matter where they shoot from.

    But there may be a point where all this 3-chucking starts to produce diminishing returns, and I'll be curious to see if there starts to be an analytic trend towards using the entire floor in order to raise the quality of 3 point attempts. Especially as bigmen start to become a thing again.
     
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  3. AgelessDrifter

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    I’ve noticed that some teams throw the ball from farther away while others tend to throw the ball from closer up

    I’ve also noticed that the success rate in both ball throwing strategies varies from team to team and maybe even from player to player

    I will report back as I flesh these ideas out
     
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  4. Utumno

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    Thought this was interesting - waiting to see if he updates today w/non-rook contracts:

     
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  5. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    This is probably the most accurate summary of basketball I've ever seen.
     
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    I'd like to see him do the same thing with efficiency stats so it's not a list of "who has/hasn't been injured" and "who plays a lot of minutes". But Jesus Christ, Wiggins is god damn awful.
     
  7. Sear

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    I think it's the former. Is there a stat that tracks how many open-look threes they take? I bet it's higher than average. Defenses have to respect their midrange game and that typically translates to kicking the ball out to guys that are open.

    Pop also hates the stepback three with a passion:



    You don't see the Spurs taking those defended early-shot-clock threes that GSW and Houston will take all night long. I think they tend to do the more traditional/smart style of play where guys only take them if the opportunity is there.
     
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    NBA.com tracks how many contested and open 3s they take, but it only calculates their rate as a percentage of total shot attempts (including 2s) and not as a percentage of total 3s, so I'd have to do it by hand and I am not going to do that. Eyeballing it, though, it looks like they are just better at 3s regardless of whether they are open or not. And it doesn't look like they have a higher rate of open looks, but I haven't done the math. So who knows.

    I think the biggest factor in their 3 point shooting is that only their good shooters shoot 3s. They don't seem interested in forcing DeRozan or Aldridge into jacking up 6 threes a game each. I image that, all things being equal (eg they still shot FTs well, and still didn't turn it over much) that they'd be better off shooting less midrange 2s. I don't know how much their turnover rate would go up if they drove more/took more 3s though.
     
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    That's definitely the one that jumped out on me - particularly tragic for them since KAT is on the best-contracts list so Wiggins is basically cancelling him out lol
     
  10. Sear

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    there you have it

    All the Lakers players suck, Luke Walton is a loser, and Lonzo is better than Lebron.

    SPEAK IT INTO EXISTENCE
     
  11. Utumno

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    I thought he died or something, why did he come back?
     
  12. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    Seems reasonable. The Lakers are better off when Lonzo sits, but that’s only because they HAVEN'T LET HIM LOOSE.
     
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    does JaVale McGee intentionally try to meme himself, or is this just some curse he was born with?

    Mavs win a close one against Portland today after getting blown out by the Bucks a few days ago. I'd like to walk back the doubt I expressed earlier in the season about Milwaukee. Giannis is a monster. We already knew that, so maybe it's more the fact that the rest of his team is pretty decent now too.
     
  14. Utumno

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    lmao fucking mcgee, never change (he was right tho)
     
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    posting this mostly for Utumno, but I actually rly enjoyed the retrospective despite not being a Warriors fan
     
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  17. Utumno

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    Dicks out for GSW legend Epke Udoh
     
  18. Utumno

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    "That's essentially 11 million a year for a guy with no ankles, that's a HORRIBLE conract...."

    lol get fucked dude
     
  19. Utumno

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    God it was so great listening to Skip Bayless' stupid hot takes being so incredibly wrong
     
  20. Utumno

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    Though I still think calling it a "superteam" just because they added Durant is really stretching the normal usage of super_____.

    At least with the Boogie addition it's a little more reasonable, though 3 of the 5 were still drafted, and Boogie really on rental for a few months.