2018 NBA Ageless Dirker White Mamba Scalabrine Clambake

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  1. BRIAN SCALABRINE THE GOAT

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  2. Dirk Nowitzki

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  3. Luka Doncic

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  4. Delly

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  5. Joe Ingles

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  6. Rick Barry shooting granny free throws

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  7. Shawn Bradley (Space Jam star, stormin mormon, rape victim of Shaq)

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  8. Darko Milicic, Detroit Legend

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  9. Bill Murray

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  1. Sear

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    Yeah, he can reasonably be considered GOAT.

    I think Jordan is still better. His prime (1986-1993) was ungodly:

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    Keeping in mind that Horace Grant and a past-his-prime Bill Cartwright were the 3rd and 4th best players on those early Bulls championship teams.

    Career statistical output aside, the biggest knock on Lebron is that he went 2-2 while playing for the Miami superteam during a stretch where the best competition was a Spurs team led by a 37 year-old Tim Duncan. And he got outplayed by Jason Terry in 2011.

    He'll always have that superhuman 2016 performance, but how much of that do you chalk up to Kyrie Irving providing 27 PPG and Kevin Love conveniently molding his game around Coach Lebron? How impressive is his career output when he's only played in a dogshit Eastern Conference (until this year)?
     
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  3. Utumno

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    That contract is p heinous... would be more tolerable if he was still at his 44% clip at the 3 but god damn he's dropped off this year.

    Shipping Barnes would be great since he's also on a shit contract, but I can't imagine Wizards would be interested in that since it doesn't really benefit them.

    Oh actually, nm... I guess Porter's contract is longer so maybe Barnes' expiring contract may be worth something but I imagine they can get a better deal for Porter from someone more desperate.
     
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    That Wizards team is a hot mess so I wouldn't read too far into his numbers this season.

    I'm not against getting him if they don't have to give up anything of value. It's a bad contract, but Dallas would still have cap room for a max next season since most of their players are still on rookie deals. Realistically, keeping the books cleared for two max contracts might be for nothing because it's unlikely that two max-contract free agents are going to choose to play here.

    Do you think Klay Thompson is worth a max deal, Utumno? I'm sure he'll get offers. Dallas will probably make one.
     
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    I mean, based on this years' performance - definitely not. Jonas fucking Jerebko is putting up better numbers in pretty much every metric this season - I have no fucking idea what happened to him. He's always been streaky, but he's literally had two good games this whole season - that's a whole new level of slump. I mean, I expect to see him snap out of it eventually but who knows.

    That said, I actually wonder sometimes if Steve Kerr is a good technical coach (in terms of drawing up good plays, putting his players in a position to win, making adjustments, etc.) I think he is a great leader, and good at keeping his players motivated, maintaining a healthy locker room, championing the right players to the org, etc. But I swear he seems sooooooo glacially slow to adjust to glaring problems (like Klay shooting assloads of contested jumpers this year, trying to create his own shot which he sucks at, having Curry play off ball a ton). It makes me wonder how Klay would do with someone more on the brilliant side like Carlisle who is able to squeeze so much out of meh players.
     
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    That said, it's really unlikely Klay is going anywhere. The dude seems ridiculously loyal to GS and doesn't seem to give two shits about money.
     
  7. Kanmuk_Sealclubber

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    I would trade my prostate for Otto Porter if I were the fan of any semi-competitive team. He’s having a down year because nobody wants to play with John Wall anymore, but he’s the ultimate plug-and-play toon (player).
     
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    Klay is getting a max contact unless GS is retarded (or he gives them a discount). He’s one of the greatest shooters to ever live, and could be a 28ppg scorer in a system where Steph and Durant (and possible Draymond, but I’d have to look it up) don’t get more touches than him.

    I don’t know why Klay is shooting all midrange jumpers this year, but this 35 game sample aside, if you want to talk “plug-and-play” Klay is one of the best ever.
     
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    Jesus Christ after tonights game I'm here to overreact and call Harden the best player in the NBA rn (at least during current hot streak).

    Ridiculous game vs GSW, carrying the fuck out of his team.
     
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    Klay's PER isn't great (16.2) and his defensive stats are negative every season for some reason. I don't watch enough GS to know, but I would have guessed that he was more "benefits from playing alongside Curry/Durant in Kerr's offensive scheme". He just seems like the Walmart version of Curry (which is still a great player) who might struggle as the primary option on a mediocre team. I may be horribly wrong with that lazy assessment, though.

    That sounds promising. The guy is only 25 too so I think he might be worth the risk. I'm back on the "don't fucking trade DSJ" bandwagon after his recent play, but any other package would be fine.

    You guys had one goddamn job. :redface:

    Houston and San Antonio are really fucking up my hopes of Dallas getting Dirk one last playoff run.
     
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    GS fans pretty much ready to shoelace after that game. (Ironically after all my bitching it was actually a pretty good game for Klay).

    Actually most our dudes did rly well, except Steph had a million turnovers and Durant chucked up a fast 3 for a dagger attempt instead of running out the clock on a game we *easily* should have won w/better clock management. fml
     
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    I wouldn’t expect Klay to have an elite PER as a 3rd or 4th option with zero playmaking responsibilities. PER is very dependent on piling up stats. But he can fit into literally any system and give you an efficient 20 ppg. GS is also way over the cap - I think they would be over the cap still even if they let him go for nothing, so might as well pay him.

    I think in the current NBA there is a lot of value in guys that don’t need the ball to make the team significantly better. That’s also why I love Porter, who was 13th and 24th in RPM the last two years. There’s less diminishing returns on 3-and-d elites then there is on ball-dominant playmakers. In theory, anyway.

    I really don’t know about klays D. Media talking heads big it up, but advanced stats don’t support that. I don’t know what version is most accurate.
     
  13. Utumno

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    Insane game tonight vs the Kings. New NBA record for made 3s. Buddy Heild is a goddamned monster already
     
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    Buddy Hield is like 40.
     
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    Lol, 26. That is older than I thought though. I remembered him being referred to as a promising young player from the pelicans
     
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    Are you starting to get slightly concerned about the Warriors’ dogshit D? (They still have the #1 offence)
     
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    If you can’t get excited for a Toronto-Milwaukee playoff matchup, you don’t like basketball.
     
  18. Utumno

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    Concerned about a lot of things, including the weak D (though I expect they can step that up when it matters), and particularly the lack of a real center. Teams with good bigs are eating GS alive. I mean they're still the team to beat, but I've never seen them look this vulnerable since they added Durant. It sounds insane but I'd kill to have Javale back lol
     
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    Yeah, we are getting back to the point where centres are starting to matter again. You can’t small-ball Giannis off the court (he can guard point guards), and Jokic would probably eat Draymond alive because of the size difference.

    I still feel GS winning is close to inevitable, but I do think Milwaukee or Toronto could beat them if they have a couple of 22 for 46 from 3 games.
     
  20. Utumno

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    Denver also.