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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2017, 12:26:23 AM »
Trump isn't a backlash against liberalism--at least not entirely. There is every indication that Sanders could have--likely would have--won the GE, suggesting that the rejection (or failure to support) Hillary was in part due to her not being liberal *enough*, or, from another angle, due to her being too representative of the establishment and "more of the same," which explains people on the fence turning to Trump. Sure there are also people who voted for Trump as a backlash to trigger warnings and BLM, or because they honestly believed Hillary runs a kiddie-porn ring in the back of a pizza joint, but lets not pretend those people were moderates to begin with.

I agree that the shoot-fucking-everything strategy of the media in trying to take down Trump is probably not super effective, and will potentially backfire, but I don't know if we agree to that point for the same reasons. This article had some interesting things to say about it. https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/12/bad-ways-to-criticize-trump

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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2017, 12:30:00 AM »
What academia, what academics and what bias, that statement is vague.

It's late, and I am going to bed.  Mostly, when I refer to it, I am speaking of the social sciences, psychology, and literature.  I have discussed these issues at length in other threads.  The short version: Liberal bias has skewed studies, because a severe disparity between liberal and conservative professors limits peer review opportunities to weed out bias.

As to former professors speaking out against university policies, I am referring to administrators who have adopted and encouraged safe spaces and censorship in the interest of protecting students (recent ideas that have been encouraged through gender and racial studies). 
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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2017, 12:39:54 AM »
Trump isn't a backlash against liberalism--at least not entirely. There is every indication that Sanders could have--likely would have--won the GE, suggesting that the rejection (or failure to support) Hillary was in part due to her not being liberal *enough*, or, from another angle, due to her being too representative of the establishment and "more of the same," which explains people on the fence turning to Trump. Sure there are also people who voted for Trump as a backlash to trigger warnings and BLM, or because they honestly believed Hillary runs a kiddie-porn ring in the back of a pizza joint, but lets not pretend those people were moderates to begin with.

I agree that the shoot-fucking-everything strategy of the media in trying to take down Trump is probably not super effective, and will potentially backfire, but I don't know if we agree to that point for the same reasons. This article had some interesting things to say about it. https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/12/bad-ways-to-criticize-trump


Did you forget the part where the DNC purposely pushed out Bernie and plotted against him, because that's what I have a problem with, and it is in no way forgivable. Even if it meant a Trump presidency, this is what we call curses are like chickens, they always come home to roost.

You can selectively believe why people don't like Hillary, but "more of the same" isn't one of the main ones. It's because she saw herself as entitled to it and was surrounded by sycophants who waved away everyone else, just like we see now.

She literally had the DNC do this.


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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2017, 01:33:12 AM »
On the Trump papers btw, who the hell knows if any of it is true (though I can most certainly believe people in his campaign would happily coordinate with Russia on any useful Intel).

But the part that seems like utter bullshit (despite the comedy potential) is all the golden shower prostitute stuff.  Really doesn't seem like his style.  Trump comes across as a clean freak and prostitutes really don't seem like his thing.... too cheap/easy/dirty.  Now groping a flunky.... that I could believe given his demeanor.

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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2017, 02:03:56 PM »
I have lots of problems with Liberal bias in different institutions.  But I have also argued a lot against a Liberal over-correction in response to Trump.  I've made several posts here about it, so I won't rehash the arguments, except to say that I think anti-Liberalism is an effect as much as it is a cause, and I think the "Culture War" is largely a smokescreen to obscure more complex issues. 

Here is the bipartisan reality of America (and large parts of Earth): Technology and Globalism are changing the job marketplace.  Income disparity is growing.  People are becoming more educated, particularly women, and that has profound impacts on birth rates, immigration and job competition.  Middle and lower class Americans, particularly white males,  are scared about their deteriorating communities and uncertain upward mobility.  These fears are justified and people are looking for solutions.  Trump played into their fear and anxiety by providing a set of enemy demographic groups, then vilifying the left for supporting their "enemies" over "real Americans".  He promised to fight Globalism and break down the environmental barriers that were costing white Americans jobs.  He offered a solution by going tribalist.  It was also effective in diverting rage towards demographic change, rather than growing income inequality, or the fact that rural isolation probably isn't going to be a sustainable way of life for more than a small segment of the population going forward. 

But that's not the ONLY way to provide a solution.  Bernie was popular because he used more progressive and liberal rhetoric to address the same issues.  If the Democrats did a better job of appealing to lower and middle class white men, they would have won in a landslide and still been able to push a rabidly Liberal/Progressive agenda.  I don't think a lot of independent/moderate Americans really give a shit about the culture war and just want jobs.  In the same way a lot of black communities are extremely conservative socially, but almost unanimously vote Democrat because they do a better job of pretending to offer economic solutions.  Strict social conservatives badly want to frame this election as a tide shift in the culture war, and I just don't see it that way.

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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2017, 02:40:29 PM »
I also think that media distrust is more difficult to analyze, because it is also technology and market driven.  The rise of fox news, satellite radio and social media has created a huge amount of competition in the marketplace.  In order to differentiate themselves, alternative news sources have to denigrate mainstream outlets and claim to offer superior (i.e. more true) information.  Even if the New York Times were 100% objective, it would still get slammed for being a Liberal propaganda outlet.  That's how competing outlets gain an edge (particularly conservative ones that capitalize on fear and resistance to change).  Anecdotally, I speculate I watch more Fox News than almost anyone here (I like it more), and they never, ever, fucking ever ever, stop talking about how biased and invalid the "Mainstream Media" is.  That's how they market themseves, and they will continue to do so, regardless of how objective the MSM becomes. 

It's compounded by the fact that the 24/7 news cycle has seen a proliferation of "Commentary" over reporting.  Facts and details emerge, and then those facts proceed to get obliterated by a million talking heads that really that really don't know shit about anything.  Remember John Stewart murdered CNN a few years ago for doing this.  Nobody knows how to differentiate between news and bullshit anymore.  And people latch on to the bullshit that supports their cause.

TLDR - I think the MSM has a slight, and grossly over-stated Liberal bias that gets greatly exaggerated and hammered to shit by competitive news outlets on the right.  They don't help themselves by giving ignorant jerkoff #17 12 minutes of airtime to debate story details with ignorant jerkoff #18 immediately after every important story breaks.  I don't think being more gentle towards Trump is going to make a dent in perceived media bias.  Not when he is willing to undermine the media at every time an unflattering fact or story detail, or question he doesn't want to answer, threatens his image.  The media shouldn't coddle a retard because they are afraid of his reaction, and even if they ARE a bit more gentle towards him, I doubt he is going to stop throwing them under the bus when he needs to defend himself.

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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2017, 04:09:42 PM »
Posted in wrong thread.
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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2017, 04:13:22 PM »
i dont think replacing 2 paragraphs w/ 1 rlly counts as a tldr kanmuk :knuppel2:
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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2017, 04:13:49 PM »
Czer: How does your posts on last page claiming Steele as a source jive with that 4chan vector you posted about in the other thread?

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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2017, 04:20:24 PM »
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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2017, 04:39:37 PM »
Czer: How does your posts on last page claiming Steele as a source jive with that 4chan vector you posted about in the other thread?

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The piss story was only part of the document. The rest was made up by steele and apparently paid for by Jeb Bush.

On Tuesday, CNN, BuzzFeed and other media outlets reported that the intelligence officials had told Trump about an unsubstantiated private report that detailed how Russia's government allegedly had salacious information about him.  BuzzFeed published the apparent dossier, which Trump has denounced as false.


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On january 10, Buzzfeed posted a story under the byline of Ken Bensinger, Mark Schoofs and Miriam elder titled “these reports Allege Trump Has Deep Ties To Russia” and posted a link to a document alleging, among other things, that russia has been cultivating trump for 5+ years, that trump has been in constant contact with the kremlin for information on his opponents, and perhaps most inflammatory, that there are many recorded instances of blackmail of trump in sexual misconduct. A prominent claim is that trump rented the presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton Hotel in moscow, where he knew that the Obamas had slept in; he them hired a number of prostitutes to perform a 'golden shower' (pissplay) on the bed and in the room. https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-dee...
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Al...
 
Noted #nevertrump voice Rick Wilson later commented on twitter, stating that the report “gave a new meaning to Wikileaks” (https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/818982395202379777) and that the report was the reason everybody was fighting so hard against the election of Trump. (https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/818983514335047680)
 
The remarkable thing? It's all fake. And not only fake; it's a prank perpetuated by 4chan, on Rick Wilson himself. A post on 4chan on october 26 stated “mfw managed to convince CTR and certain (((journalists))) on Twitter there'll be an October surprise on Trump this Friday” along with a picture of a smug face with a hash name. http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/94704894/#94705224
 
on november 1, a person without a picture but is assumed to be the same person posted “So they took what I told Rick Wilson and added a Russian spy angle to it. They still believe it. Guys, they're truly fucking desperate - there's no remaining Trump scandal that's credible.” https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/95568919/#95571329
 
on january 10, moments after the story broke and began to gain traction on social media, a person with the same smug grin face, and the same hash title for the picture, stated “I didn't think they'd take it so far.” http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/106514445#p106520376
 
This story has taken on something of a life of it's own. Going through Rick Wilson's twitter, you can find many different stories from the time that he had shown the story to a wide number of anti-trump news sources, trying to find a news organization that would actually publish the story. During that time period, he referred to it often as 'the thing', and often playing coy with followers on the content with the story with anybody who was not also a #Nevertrumper. Unconfirmed sources has people as high up as John McCain giving the story to FBI Director James Comey to attempt to verify the story. Given that Rick Wilson runs in Establishment circles, it is not an impossible scenario that long-serving senators are falling for what amounts to a 4chan troll trump supporter creating an ironic October Surprise out of wholecloth to punk a GOPe pundit who derogatorily referred to them as single men who masturbate to anime.







Steele was initially hired by FusionGPS, a Washington, DC-based political research firm, to investigate Trump on behalf of unidentified Republicans who wanted to stop Trump's bid for the GOP nomination. The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) reported that Steele was initially hired by Jeb Bush, one of Trump's 16 opponents in the 2016 Republican primary. It was not immediately possible to verify the BBC's report.

He was kept on assignment by FusionGPS after Trump won the nomination and his information was circulated to Democratic Party figures and members of the media.

Steele's dealings with the FBI on Trump, initially with the senior agent who had started the FIFA probe and then moved to a post in Europe, began in July. However, Steele cut off contact with the FBI about a month before the Nov. 8 election because he was frustrated by the bureau's slow progress. 

The FBI opened preliminary investigations into Trump and his entourage's dealings with Russians that were based in part on Steele's reports, according to people familiar with the inquiries.

However, they said the Bureau shifted into low gear in the weeks before the election to avoid interfering in the vote. They said Steele grew frustrated and stopped dealing with the FBI after concluding it was not seriously investigating the material he had provided.

Steele's reports circulated for months among major media outlets, including Reuters, but neither the news organizations nor U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies have been able to corroborate them.

BuzzFeed published some of Steele's reports about Trump on its website on Tuesday but the President-elect and his aides later said the reports were false. Russian authorities also dismissed them.

Associates of Steele said on Wednesday he was unavailable for comment. Christopher Burrows, a director and co-founder of Orbis with Steele, told The Wall Street Journal, which first published Steele's name, that he could not confirm or deny that Steele's company had produced the reports on Trump.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-steele-idUSKBN14W0HN




Following the publication of a dossier containing explosive and unverified info on Donald Trump and Russia, BBC News reported Wednesday that it originated in opposition research done by a former British intelligence officer working for a Super PAC supporting none other than Jeb Bush.

If that sounds like a too-good-to-be-true political plot twist, that's because maybe it is—a lawyer for the PAC told TPM it "had nothing to do with British Intelligence officers."

The Guardian reported earlier Wednesday that the former British intelligence official credited with compiling the dossier on the alleged Russia-Trump ties had been working as a subcontractor for an opposition research firm digging up dirt for one of Trump's Republican presidential primary opponents. The article pointed out that often, research firms do not know who exactly who is hiring them.

The Guardian's report did not name who the opposition research firm's client was. But BBC News' Paul Wood later reported, without citing any sources, that "the opposition research firm that commissioned the report had worked first for a superpac - political action committee - supporting Jeb Bush during the Republican primaries."

BBC's Paul Wood reveals that this former Mi6 official was working for Jeb!'s SuperPAC when he compiled the info https://t.co/Meh7ZkdrXW

— David Shor (@DYShor) January 11, 2017

Almost as soon as the BBC report hit Twitter, Charlie Spies, an attorney for Right to Rise USA, which had supported Bush's presidential candidacy, disputed it.

"Right to Rise categorically denies the BBC reporter's made up report and will be demanding that he retract the made up allegation," Spies wrote in an email to TPM. "Other than enjoying James Bond movies, the PAC had nothing to do with British Intelligence officers."

Spies had tweeted that the PAC's opposition research team had denied the BBC report and that he planned to send a cease-and-desist letter to the news organization:

This is categorically false. Working on cease & desist letter to BBC radio to stop making up fake news. https://t.co/UNfLz5WeM4

— Charlie Spies (@cspiesdc) January 11, 2017

@henryten checked with the PAC's oppo team and they assure this is not true. I trust them over anonymous allegation.

— Charlie Spies (@cspiesdc) January 11, 2017

The head of the PAC, Mike Murphy, also tweeted and denied the report.

Hmmm... news to me. Totally untrue. R2R had zero to do with this; never saw report, never heard of this ex MI-6 guy. #BadUKJournalism https://t.co/muPGnxgqIK

— mike murphy (@murphymike) January 11, 2017

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-trump-russia-dossier-originated-with-jeb-bush-super-pac



So information was going through all kinds unverified avenues to reach the point where it was turned into a singular document and presented, everyone have fun knowing that.
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Re: Trump to name son-in-law as senior adviser
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2017, 01:46:06 AM »
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