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« on: February 06, 2010, 09:20:13 PM »

I keep noticing "Complexity - A Guided Tour" every time I peruse the science section of the book store. Complexity isn't my favorite subject (I find it frustratingly opaque -- hurts my brain to think too much about it, frankly) but I feel like it'd be a good thing to have exposure to, at least. Has anyone read this book or any other literature on complexity theory that they'd recommend? I'm not looking to be an expert, I just kind of want a rough overview of the field of study as it stands.
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 10:15:07 PM »

I have not read the Melanie Mitchell book you mentioned, but I've read about half of one of her introductions to genetic algorithms; it was pretty stellar (I only stopped reading it because I invested in an even better, much more recent text on the subject, and have not had time to return to Mitchell's text), and I've heard good things about Mitchell's general intro to complexity.

Any of Stuart Kauffman's books (which I think I've suggested to you before) provide excellent examples of research in the complexity science tradition. Anything that is not the The Origins of Order will be at once a pretty easy read and also rather thought-provoking and wide-ranging, although not with the intent of summarizing the complexity literature. At Home in the Universe or Reinventing the Sacred would be good for your purposes, and Kauffman has the added bonus of being an extremely clear thinker. Reading his work might dispel for you the idea that studying complexity has to mean speaking in frustratingly opaque vagaries.

I've also read maybe half of Murray Gell-Mann's The Quark and the Jaguar, and it might actually appeal to you more strongly than anything else I could recommend. Gell-Mann, like Kauffman, is an exceptionally clear thinker and author, and he brings to the table the perspective of a Nobel-prize winning physicist. His reach is wider than Kauffman's (although I think not quite as impressive in specific examples of the complexity research he's done), and he actually discusses at some length the discovery of the quark, quantum mechanics, and a whole host of other physics topics that would interest you, too. Gell-Mann was also instrumental in the early development of the Santa Fe Institute (as discussed by Waldrop in the book mentioned below), which has figured centrally in putting the notion of complexity seriously in the focus of the scientific community.

Another idea: it's rather old now, but my introduction to the subject was Waldrop's Complexity: The Emerging Science at the Edge of Order and Chaos. Waldrop provides an informative, broad narrative; his approach was light on rigor and detail, though.

Lastly, if you would like to understand very quickly what is more-or-less meant by a complex system, read Warren Weaver's 1948 essay, Science and Complexity. It's a fantastic read (imo) - crisp, quick, and pithy. He provides a very general, but quite clear (not vague!) typology of the kinds of problems with which science is faced (through the lens of someone concerned with the complexity of problems). I think you'll find his perspective very insightful; it will probably clarify and reinforce feelings you already have.

edit: Note that none of these books (except maybe the Mitchell one, about which I'm not sure) will give you a very good introduction to chaos theory; although the two are often used as synonyms, the complexity literature is tremendously different from the chaos theory literature.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 12:16:19 PM »

Awesome, thanks. I'll definitely check out the essay. I meant to check out the Kaufman books at one point, but when B-A-M didn't have them and couldn't order them I just sort of forgot about it. I didn't want to order them online without being able to peruse them quickly first (because I am a stingy bastard). Maybe B&N will have them or be able to order them. Is The Quark and the Jaguar sounds interesting, too. Does it deal mostly with complexity, or does it just go over it in passing through the discussion of quanta in general?
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 12:32:05 PM »

The Quark and the Jaguar discusses complexity at some length (but not exclusively, with quantum mechanics etc. figuring centrally as well).

You can get At Home in the Universe for $8 (including S&H) or Reinventing the Sacred for $12 (including S&H), if that helps at all.

Including S&H, The Quark and the Jaguar could cost you $4.

Let me know what you think of the essay.
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 12:52:30 PM »

Nice. I never thought to check that site for non-textbooks. Which Kaufman book would you recommend I read first? I figure that if I wind up not liking the first one I read for whatever reason, I'd hate to have already paid for the other one and not want to read it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 01:02:55 PM »

Honestly, I really want to say The Origins of Order, but that book's not to be taken lightly, and is probably more trouble than it's worth for what you want to do right now. Perhaps if you ike AHiU or RtS, you could check out TOoO.

That said, although it's been a long time since I've read At Home in the Universe, I'd suggest you read it first; I vaguely recall it as a fast summary of ideas more rigorously studied in The Origins of Order, plus some extra stuff.

Reinventing the Sacred is great, too (though I didn't like the last chapter or two), but it deals less in a discussion of research programs and more in a discussion of philosophy writ large (there's a very fascinating analysis of reductionism in it).
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 01:18:17 PM »

What was up with the last few chapters of RtS? Hokey spiritual stuff? I vaguely remember reading a brief synopsis of the book and thinking there was gonna be a bunch of that.

I'd like to check out TOoO, but I don't really have enough hours in the day to take it seriously for now. Think I'm gonna order the Q&J and At Home in the Universe for now and take it from there. I just started reading Classic Feynman: All the Adventures of a Curious Character yesterday so between that and all my English Lit reading assignments it may be a while before I even get to either of them. My "to read" queue just keeps stacking up higher and higher.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 06:54:45 PM »

I disliked the ending of RtS more for "hokey liberalism" than for "hokey spiritualism." He just seemed to give up making interesting, coherent, and thorough arguments in the last two chapters, exchanging his usually precise and cutting sort of analysis for unsupported cliches and conjectures.

His attempt to imbue science with a new sense of spiritual awe actually comes much earlier in the book, and was actually not bad at all. Not his best work, but certainly a thoughtful and challenging argument.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2010, 12:18:01 PM »

Jaguar + Quark finally arrived today. I'm about 2/3 through Classic Feynman (basically a combination of two books of RP Feynman's memoirs -- pretty good read, I might add), and I'm gonna start At Home in the Universe after that, then Q&J. Looking forward to it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2010, 07:04:52 PM »

Cool! Let me know what you think when you get started and have time to share.
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