So Czer is ISIS really just a Saudi front created to mess w/Iran?

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  1. Utumno

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    I wonder how many of those tomahawks we generally have at any given time.

    $1.4 million apiece - that's a pretty decent chunk of change when you fire off a bunch of them at once.
     
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    We used a total 288 in the first gulf war and a total of 808 reportedly in the Iraq war. (Publicly reported military numbers are not accurate)

    We probably have thousands on hand I actually can't find inventory on it atm.

    Tomahawks/StormShadows/and JASSM (air launched) were all used and intercepted.
     
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    I guess we agree then. Was the chronology reported in the media is correct , that Trump named these targets during the attack?

    I don't think it's inconceivable that Trump ordered a strike to look strong in front of the cameras. Those targets were the least risky option if you do not want to risk war with Russia, and maybe even weren't really sure who was behind those chemical attacks, but need to draw some kind of line because the world is watching. It does also also show the level resources the US can burn on a whim.
     
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    No

    This has nothing legitimate about it. You need to accept the west lies.

    Watching you go to great lengths to reason this out is weird.
     
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    Israeli intelligence reportedly says Trump's Syria strike failed, didn't take out much of anything

    http://www.businessinsider.com/israeli-intelligence-trump-syria-strike-failed-2018-4

    • Israeli intelligence officials have concluded that the US, UK, and France's missile strikes on Syria's suspected chemical weapons sites were a failure.
    • Multiple Israeli government and military sources criticized the strikes effectiveness in hurting Syria's ability to conduct chemical attacks.
    • These officials also criticized President Donald Trump talking about the strikes beforehand.
    • The US and allies' strikes on Syria likely didn't change anything on the battlefield, and it's hard to know how much of the chemical weapons stockpile was hit.


    The US, UK, and France's missile strike on Syria's suspected chemical weapons sites involved 105 missiles fired from air and sea to rain down thousands of pounds of explosives on three sites across the country— but Israeli intelligence officers reportedly called it a failure.

    "If President Trump had ordered the strike only to show that the US responded to [Syrian President Bashar] Assad's use of chemical weapons, then that goal has been achieved," a senior defense official told Israel's Ynet News. "But if there was another objective — such as paralyzing the ability to launch chemical weapons or deterring Assad from using it again — it's doubtful any of these objectives have been met."

    An intelligence officer who talked to Ynet wasn't as forgiving.

    "The statement of 'Mission Accomplished' and (the assertion) that Assad's ability to use chemical weapons has been fatally hit has no basis," the source said, likely referring to a recent tweet from President Donald Trump.

    Unlike the strike in April 2017, the US and its allies did not target Assad's jets or airfields, though that attack was also apparently of low impact, as Assad's jets took off from the damaged airfield within 24 hours and reports of chemical warfare by his regime persisted.

    Israel apparently not impressed with Trump's tough talk


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    The Tayfur, or T-4 military airbase near Homs, Syria.
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    The Israelis seemed to take particular issue with Trump talking about his plans to strike before the military action took place. In comparison, Israel is suspected of carrying out a silent but lethal air war against Iranian-aligned militias in Syria, though it seldom ever comments on whether it took part in specific strikes, and always after the fact.

    "If you want to shoot — shoot, don't talk," an Israeli diplomatic source told Ynet. "In the American case, this is mostly talk. They themselves show actions are not going to follow."

    After Trump tweeted that Russia and Syria should "get ready" for incoming missiles, it appears they moved assets to more protected locations, potentially limiting the available targets for the strike.

    Nobody knows how much chemical weapons Assad has left


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    The US said the strike had hit the "heart" of Assad's chemical weapons infrastructure, but admitted some residual capabilities remained. The strike certainly did not deal any damage to Assad's air force, which is suspected to deploy the chemical weapons.

    While the Israelis estimated that the strikes didn't hit the bulk of Assad's chemical weapons, it's hard to know exactly how much or where the weapons stores could be, as international inspectors certified that Syria had removed their weapons of mass destruction as a result of a deal between then-President Barack Obama and Russia in 2013.

    But reports of chemical attacks have regularly surfaced since then, and recent reports from Islamist rebels fighting Assad in Douma, the town where the most recent suspected chemical attack sparked the US and allies' strike, said Assad is using the terrifying weapons to win on the battlefield.

    "They bombed and bombed and we weren't defeated by conventional weapons so they found the only way was to use chemical (weapons)," a rebel told Reuters.

    Despite the US and allies' missile strike on Syria, Assad's regime has only strengthened and fortified its position by clearing out more rebel strongholds.

    The UK has admitted that the strike did not intend to turn the overall tide of the war, and was essentially meant as a punitive action to compel Assad not to use chemical weapons.
     
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    I expect some level of bluffing about military prowess from both sides, but the Russians are much more devious liars.

    Apparently, Trump's exact phrasing was: "The purpose of our actions tonight is to establish a strong deterrent against the production, spread and use of chemical weapons.". While the destroyed production and stockpiles seem like primary targets based on this, I guess it does leave the door open for having targeted other sites or air fields also. I don't see how we would ever know for sure though. I note that even the disappointed Israeli sources above didn't talk about any other targets, so it could just as well be typical Russian propaganda.
     
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    oh damn, even israel calling trumpster out
     
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    Rumor that they are going to connect newly shipped in S-300 systems

     
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    wahhabists are targeting the Sunni Arab dictators now, they specifically mention both the Saudi King and MBS as being an imbecile