GOP Operative Sought Clinton Emails From Hackers, Implied a Connection to Flynn

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  1. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    Donald Trump Flushes Away America’s Reputation


    For a fleeting moment Tuesday, President Trump seemed to signal he would do the right thing on immigration. At a 90-minute meeting with congressional Republicans and Democrats, much of it televised, he said he’d be willing to “take the heat” for a broad immigration deal of the sort urgently needed by the country and despised by his hard-core base.

    Alas, it was all a charade. The real Donald Trump was back two days later with his now notorious “shithole” remark, asking why the United States should accept people from places like Haiti or Africainstead of nice Nordic countries like Norway, and then tweeting his tiresome demands for a “Great Wall” along the Mexican border.

    Never mind that Norwegians are not clamoring to leave what is rated as the happiest nation on earth, and setting aside renewed questions about Mr. Trump’s fitness, the flip-flop left the issue of immigration more confused than before.

    Where to begin? How about with a simple observation: The president of the United States is a racist. And another: The United States has a long and ugly history of excluding immigrants based on race or national origin. Mr. Trump seems determined to undo efforts taken by presidents of both parties in recent decades to overcome that history.

    Mr. Trump denied making the remarks on Friday, but Senator Richard Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, who attended the meeting, said the president did in fact say these “hate-filled things, and he said them repeatedly.”

    Of course he did. Remember, Mr. Trump is not just racist, ignorant, incompetent and undignified. He’s also a liar.

    Even the president’s most sycophantic defenders didn’t bother denying the reports. Instead they justified them. Places like Haiti really are terrible, they reminded us. Never mind that many native-born Americans are descended from immigrants who fled countries (including Norway in the second half of the 19th century) that were considered hellholes at the time.

    No one is denying that Haiti and some of these other countries have profound problems today. Of course, those problems are often a direct result of policies and actions of the United States and European nations: to name just a few, kidnapping and enslaving their citizens; plundering their natural resources; propping up their dictators and corrupt regimes; and holding them financially hostage for generations.

    The United States has long held itself out as a light among nations based on the American ideal of equality. But the deeper history tells a different story.

    The sociologists David Scott FitzGerald and David Cook-Martin have shownthat the United States pioneered racially based exclusionary immigration policies in the Americas in the late 18th and 19th centuries. (Not long before he was elected president, for example, Theodore Roosevelt asserted the bigoted but then-common view that the Chinese should be kept out of America because they were “racially inferior.”)

    It should sober Americans to know that authoritarian governments in Chile, Cuba and Uruguay ended racist immigration policies decades before the United States.

    The current turmoil over immigration conflates several separate issues. One is DACA, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which has provided temporary work permits and reprieves from deportation for undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children. These are the so-called Dreamers, who number about 800,000.

    Another issue is the Temporary Protected Status program under which undocumented foreigners who were in the United States when disaster or conflict struck their homeland are allowed to remain in the United States. In November, the Trump administration ended the protection for about 60,000 Haitians, and on Monday the administration lifted it for almost 200,000 Salvadorans, most of whom have been in the United States for two decades.

    A third issue is the future of the roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants who have come to the United States over decades and have effectively integrated into American life. The Trump administration has ordered a broad immigration crackdown against them.

    And finally there’s President Trump’s imagined wall.

    What is concerning is not the wall, or the word “shithole” or the vacillation on the Dreamers or the Salvadorans. It’s what ties all of these things together: the bigoted worldview of the man behind them.

    Anyone who has followed Mr. Trump over the years knows this. We knew it in the 1970s, when he and his father were twice sued by the Justice Department for refusing to rent apartments to black people. We knew it in 1989, when he took out a full-page newspaper ad calling for the execution of five black and Latino teenagers charged with the brutal rape of a white woman in Central Park. (The men were convicted but later exonerated by DNA and other evidence, but Mr. Trump never apologized, and he continued to argue as late as 2016 that the men were guilty.) We knew it when he built a presidential campaign by demonizing Mexicans and Muslims while promoting the lie that America’s first black president wasn’t born here. Or when, last summer, he defended marchers in a neo-Nazi parade as “very fine people.”

    Just last month, The Times reported on an Oval Office meeting on immigration during which Mr. Trump said that the 15,000 Haitians now living in the United States “all have AIDS,” and that Nigerian immigrants would never “go back to their huts” in Africa once they had seen the United States. See a pattern yet?

    Donald Trump is by no means America’s first racist president. But he ran a campaign explicitly rooted in bigotry, exclusion and white resentment. To his die-hard but ever-shrinking base, comments like those he made Thursday only reaffirm his solidarity with the cause. The Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi website, certainly saw it this way. “This is encouraging and refreshing, as it indicates Trump is more or less on the same page as us with regards to race and immigration,” the site wrote in a post.

    The meeting at which Mr. Trump spewed his vulgarity was meant to be a discussion of bipartisan immigration proposals by Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, and Mr. Durbin. Two other Republicans, John Kasich and Jeb Bush Jr., are the authors of an Op-Edarticle in Thursday’s Times arguing against the forced expulsion of undocumented immigrants who have made a home in the United States. This shouldn’t be a hard call, especially with the economy growing modestly but steadily and unemployment hovering around 4 percent.

    Instead, Republicans in Congress are spending most of their time finding ways to avoid talking about their openly bigoted chief executive. Some claimed not to have heard what Mr. Trump said. Others offered tepid defenses of his “salty” talk. House Speaker Paul Ryan called Mr. Trump’s comments “unhelpful,” clearly wishing he could return to his daily schedule of enriching the wealthiest Americans.

    Mr. Trump has made clear that he has no useful answers on immigration. It’s up to Congress to fashion long-term, humane solutions. A comprehensive immigration bill that resolves all these issues would be best. But if that is not possible, given the resistance of hard-core anti-immigration activists in Congress, legislators should at least join forces to protect the Dreamers, Salvadorans, Haitians and others threatened by the administration’s cruel and chaotic actions.
  2. Czer

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    January 12, 2018, 11:37 PM
    Questions about Trump overtake Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley's event in Iowa

    Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) was beseiged at a town-hall style event in Logan, Iowa on Friday with questions about President Trump. Mr. Trump won Iowa by almost 10 percentage points, according to the Des Moines Register.

    While there were questions about local issues, constituents also focused on the ongoing Russia investigation, immigration and Mr. Trump's recent "sh*thole" remark.

    "Why have you not interviewed Manafort or Kushner yet," asked one constituent, according to CBS affiliate KMTV.

    Grassley is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which is investigating Russian meddling in the election.

    Another in the crowd wondered why money should go towards a wall instead of local infrastructure. "The roads are falling apart, the electrical is bad, we need to spend our money on our country and not on a stupid wall."

    Grassley tried to emphasize that a deal on DACA needs to be reached before the March 5th deadline, saying "we've got to convince the American people that we don't make the same mistakes we did 30 years ago when we thought we had secured the borders because we did away with the magnet of people coming here to work."

    According to KMTV, Grassley said Mr. Trump's "sh*thole" remark "detracts from the very important issue that we got to get solved by March 5th ... it's better to keep to the issues, don't do anything to detract from the issues and bottom line, all people ought to be treated with respect."

    Grassley will be holding another event in Sac City, Iowa, on Saturday morning, according to the Des Moines Register.

    Last year, angry constitutents stormed members of Congress' town hall meetings. In February 2017, protesters shouted "Do your job! Do your job!" at Utah's Jason Chaffetz.

    At a town hall meeting in California's fourth district, audience members shouted "boo!" at GOP Rep. Tom McClintock. In Colorado's 6th district, Rep. Mike Coffman told his constituents "let's not yell at each other."
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    Jailed Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, Saudi Arabia's richest man, is running out of time to make a deal
    • Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal has been detained for more than two months now by the government controlled by the new Saudi crown prince.
    • But now he's been reportedly moved from the Ritz Carlton hotel to a real prison and the government is also seizing some of his peers' property.
    • This all makes it look like Alwaleed's time to make a deal is running out, especially almost all of his supposed powerful friends stay silent.

    Saudi Arabia's richest man is running out of time.

    It's been more than two months since Prince Alwaleed bin Talal was first arrested and detained in what the Saudi government still calls an "anti-corruption" sweep. Yet the first sign of things getting more serious came early this week when Alwaleed was moved out of his restricted quarters at the Riyadh Ritz Carlton Hotel and moved to Al Ha'ir prison, according to the London-based Arabic news site Al-Araby Al-Jadeed.

    Al Ha'ir is not exactly the Bastille, but the decision to get Alwaleed to a more secluded and secure location is ominous.

    For more than two months, the prince had been held at the Riyadh Ritz along with what had originally been 200 of his fellow princes and top officials. That number has dwindled to just a few prisoners. Most of the former detainees have bought their freedom with payments and other forms of capitulation to the new Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

    But bin Talal is holding out, reportedly balking at the $6 billion bin Salman is demanding from him and/or control of some of his investment companies.

    Prince bin Salman came to power last summer when King Salman made the extremely unusual move to change the order of succession and make bin Salman crown prince.

    Since then he has been beefing up Saudi Arabia's military defenses against Iran, strengthening ties to the U.S. and even Israel in the process. In the fall, he further moved to purge the country of anti-Semitic and anti-American Islamic clerics. In November, bin Salman's economic reforms morphed into this arrest of Alwaleed and those 200 other princes and officials who were at least potential rivals in the overall power grab.

    It's not that many of the crown prince's goals aren't prudent or even admirable. But the matter of human rights is being pushed aside. So is due process.

    Another example of that happened this week with the Saudi government's outright seizure of the Binladin Group construction giant. A Reuters report says the government has taken managerial control and may also erase up to $30 billion in debt it owes the company. This is happening as leading members of the Bin Laden family, yes the extended family of al Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden, were detained as well.

    One of the most stunning aspects of bin Talal's detention is how quiet his long list of influential friends have been about it. This week brought at least some mention of his plight with a statement from two former French presidents who expressed concern over Alwaleed's status. But let's face it: a few words from a couple of French ex-presidents is peanuts.

    So now we have bin Alwaleed in an actual prison, with a government aggressively taking cash and assets, and still no significant outcry from his foreign friends.

    It may seem unrelated, but bin Salman has also been on an opulent buying spree. That includes record-breaking purchases of art, a yacht and a French chateau. It begs the question of whether some of this stems from his desire to be the most conspicuously wealthy leader in the country.

    This is similar to some of the tactics Russian President Vladimir Putin has used to consolidate his political power and personal wealth at the same time.

    None of this very public behavior is drawing public rebuke from the crown prince's friends in Trump administration and elsewhere. They are clearly okay with the ends justifying whatever means he's using to modernize the country and strengthen its ability to oppose Iran.

    The fact that the lucrative Saudi Aramco IPO is coming soon could be another reason that Alwaleed's supposed friends in the world of finance aren't making a public stink. They want to curry favor with the Saudis now to gain access.

    This week's moves only drives that point home. Prince Alwaleed's leverage to demand an actual trial or negotiate a better deal is dwindling by the day. The cavalry is not coming and the Saudi government has almost no fear of international reprisal.

    The chances are greater than ever that Alwaleed will now rot in a literal jail for as long as the new government wants. Earlier reports that he was being hung upside down and beaten at the Ritz Carlton are still unconfirmed, but no one should be surprised if that's the next step – if it hasn't been taken already.

    Prince Alwaleed must have thought at some point that he had the option of holding out for a fair hearing before being forced to hand over billions to save his skin. He doesn't have that option now and probably never did.

    Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman isn't betting on seeing any pushback. Neither should anyone else.
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    Now we know why Republicans are attacking the FBI
    The spectacle of Republicans trying to cook up a spurious case of corruption against the entire FBI is strong evidence of their inability to take their constitutional responsibilities seriously.

    CNN reported that Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe this week testified before the House Intelligence Committee and then before members of the House Intelligence, Oversight and Judiciary committees that former FBI director James Comey told McCabe that President Donald Trump had asked for a pledge of loyalty. Comey previously testified that the president had requested loyalty; Trump has denied that this took place.

    Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, put out a statement slamming Republicans for holding a secret meeting of House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., and House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., with members of the House Oversight and Judiciary committees to discuss interviewing McCabe:

    “Today’s ‘emergency’ interview with FBI Deputy Director McCabe was both rushed and unnecessary and further demonstrates that Republicans are desperate to distract from the Russia investigation and undermine the credibility of the FBI and Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation,” Nadler said in the statement. “This truth was laid bare when we learned last evening that a group of Republicans have been secretly meeting for months for just that purpose.

    “After a day’s worth of questioning by Members from both Committees, what we learned today was that McCabe is a dedicated public servant who has committed his life to the FBI and its mission to uphold the law.”

    A Nadler adviser told The Washington Post that Republicans’ conduct was “what we have come to expect from Republicans who continue to try and distract, discredit and undermine the special counsel investigation. This is all just a very silly attempt to undermine the FBI and re-litigate the [Hillary] Clinton investigation.”

    Republicans grilling McCabe over the FBI’s handling of Clinton’s emails and their conspiracy theorizing substantiate our suspicions that GOP members of Congress have zero interest in conducting a serious investigation of the president’s possible collusion with Russia and obstruction of justice.

    “President Trump has called Jim Comey a liar and likewise suggested that Comey committed a crime by lying under oath about their conversations,” Susan Hennessey of the Lawfare blog tells me. “Notably, Comey gave his account under penalty of perjury, while Trump, to date, has not. Comey also substantiated his story with contemporaneous memos.”

    She continued: “Now we learn that Andrew McCabe can offer further corroboration that what Comey said was true and that he shared the details at the time. That means that, conversely, the deputy FBI director has testified the president is lying to the American people.” She argued, “I don’t think that many serious people genuinely questioned whether the famously, even notoriously forthright former FBI director or the president, who has a habitually tenuous relationship with the truth, was being honest. But to the extent there were any lingering doubts, McCabe’s testimony should put them to rest.”

    The Republicans, by their conduct, implicitly recognize Trump’s weak defense to a potential obstruction charge. Contrary to the Trump attorney’s mumbo jumbo, they realize that a sitting president with a corrupt intent can be cited for obstruction of justice, although the case might need to be prosecuted after he leaves office.

    Second, Republicans understand that if the fact pattern is believed, Trump at the very least committed an impeachable action (although not necessarily a criminal violation of federal statute) in pressuring the then-FBI director to lay off of Michael Flynn and curtail the Russia investigation. If the facts here were not so damning, Republicans would not find it necessary to call into question the credibility of the entire FBI.

    Third, the Republicans will have their hands full if they go down this road. Not only McCabe but also other FBI officials may have been told of Trump’s pursuit of a loyalty oath from Comey. Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and National Security Agency director Mike Rogers as well as other members of the White House staff may be privy to Trump’s statements about Comey and efforts to get Comey to relent from investigating Flynn. That’s a lot of people to discredit if the GOP is bent on circling the wagons around a president who has neither the law nor the facts on his side.

    The spectacle of Republicans trying to cook up a spurious case of corruption against the entire FBI is strong evidence of their inability to take their constitutional responsibilities seriously. If we are to get a fair investigation and consideration of the facts as well as a mature examination of whether those facts rise to an impeachable offense, it likely won’t come with a GOP majority in control of the House and Senate.
  6. AgelessDrifter

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    Isn't this exactly what I said I was worried the GOP would try to pull and you said you saw no signs of it being a likely outcome?
  7. Czer

    Czer I'm a poor person. The lambo is my cousin's.

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    The Republicans are fucked, so no.
  8. Ssalam

    Ssalam TZT Abuser

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    Fixed this.
  9. Czer

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    I can't wait.
  10. Czer

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    Long live the memory of this man and the good he did. His enemies will once again be driven into the ocean like he wanted and demanded.

    This is General Sherman of the Union who committed Total War and scorched earth (this will happen again) against the south killing everyone in his path and driving them into the ocean, bending railroad tracks around trees in the south (Sherman Neck ties) to destroy the movement of goods to the enemy (the south).

    The first American tank is named after him.


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    The Insane Backstory Behind The Lawyer Who Shook Down Donald Trump (and Hulk Hogan)

    Less than a week after Gawker ran a clip of the infamous sex tape featuring the professional wrestler Hulk Hogan in October 2012, Hogan’s personal attorney, David Houston, received messages from two lawyers in Los Angeles he’d never heard of. The first was a phone call from Peter Thiel’s hand-picked attorney, Charles Harder, offering to assist him and his client with a potential suit against Gawker. That case is now history, literally so, as it resulted in the largest jury award ever against an American media company.

    There was a second message, however, that was less well-known and now has its own connection to history. It arrived in the form of a cryptic email:

    October 10, 2012, 2:14pm
    Subject: Hulk Hogan Tape
    Please call me regarding above.

    It was from a Beverly Hills lawyer named Keith M. Davidson, who claimed to represent the parties who had all the tapes and were shopping them to the media, including to Gawker. Davidson would inform Hogan and Houston that the clips which had run on Gawker could be just the beginning, that the leak was a “shot across the bow” to get their attention. There were more tapes, “one that’s more inflammatory than the others…that carries the lion share of the value.” Would Hogan like to prevent anything from happening to them?

    Negotiations started at one million dollars.

    Why does this five year old conversation matter? Well, according to Wall Street Journal, Keith M. Davidson is also the lawyer who allegedly brokered a settlement between his client Stephanie Clifford, aka porn star Stormy Daniels, and Donald Trump’s lawyer, Michael D. Cohen in October, 2016. For $130,000, and secured through a pseudonymous contract between “Peggy Peterson” and “David Dennison,” Davidson negotiated Stormy Daniels’ silence over her affair with Donald Trump. Naturally, these allegations have exploded across the media and once again embroiled Donald Trump in controversy.

    The similarities between the two cases don’t end with the lawyer (actually lawyers since Charles Harder ended up representing both Hulk Hogan as well as Donald Trump). In the Hulk Hogan case, Davidson also used a pseudonymous contract, claiming that the $300,000 deal was between “Taryn Bostick” and “Jo Walsh” rather than Terry Bollea and Lori Burbridge (a representative at the negotiations whom the Tampa Bay Police allege was there on behalf of Florida radio DJ named Matthew Loyd).

    It appears to be a playbook for Davidson, wherein he conspires with his clients to extort a well known figure, leveraging media attention to do it. In the Bollea negotiations, Davidson would tell David Houston that his client was the one that first floated rumors of the tape to the media to put pressure on him to pay up. As we know from the FBI recordings that captured these conversations as part of a sting, Davidson and his client claimed to be responsible for the Gawker post that would eventually put Gawker out of business.

    “So wait a minute, so what you’re saying is that the person you’re representing…released this to Gawker then?”
    “You know that for sure?”
    “And to

    It would also happen that the “more inflammatory” tapes Davidson mentioned featured Hulk Hogan repeatedly using the n-word. They too would leak, but not for another two years, and when they were, Hogan would be removed from the WWE Hall of Fame.

    Similarly, Stormy Daniels was talking to the editor-in-chief of Slate and purportedly in the midst of negotiations with ABC for a Good Morning America appearance, at the same time Davidson was negotiating this six-figure settlement with Donald Trump’s attorney. And now that the money has supposedly changed hands, the story bubbles up again. It makes one wonder what new or remaining pressure from that alleged settlement still exists to exert on the President of the United States of America. Also what hand, if any, Davidson might have had in exerting it. Davidson is quite good at walking right up to the line and dancing upon it. “I don’t know if they were stolen,” he said during the Hogan negotiations “and quite frankly, I don’t want to know if they were stolen.” (Of course, they were in fact stolen).

    I have no love for Donald Trump. I have criticized him extensively in this very outlet and elsewhere. His track record shows that he is a serial philanderer, a liar and possibly an abuser of women. However, when a lawyer who essentially specializes in extortion approached him on the eve of a presidential election, he was in an unenviable, if not impossible position—even if he did sleep with Stormy Daniels. After all, simply having an affair with someone does not entitle anyone to a six-figure payout. Threatening to go public without that payoff is extortion—whether we like either party.

    There’s no debating that good journalism is often the result of bad sources and shady dealings. Jacob Weisberg showed admirable restraint when he declined to publish the story in Slate, mostly because it appeared that Stephanie Clifford did not want to go forward at the time and because the story could not be confirmed. But perhaps the conversations were nothing but leverage to drive up the price of the settlement. As I wrote in Trust Me, I’m Lying and in my forthcoming book Conspiracy about the Gawker and Hulk Hogan case, in time of kompromat tactics and media manipulation, journalists are going to need to be intensely aware of how easily they can be used as cat’s paws in complicated feuds, negotiations, and even geopolitical fights they know nothing about. The public as well needs to understand how their attention—and desire to shame aberrant behavior—is a weapon that can be used unsuspectingly and cruelly.

    “I’m the expert at doing this type of thing,” Davidson would say in a conversation during the negotiation with Hogan’s legal team. And when asked if there was really enough business like that to make a living, according to Houston, Davidson replied,

    “Well, we got a lot of people we get caught on tape, and they are not all celebrities. We have family men that are gay and want to keep their gay relationship under cover, so of course we approach them too.”

    Which means even the general public is vulnerable to these tactics, and most of us are not nearly as bulletproof to scandal as Donald Trump. Most of us can’t afford to pay that kind of money to make something like this go away. Conversely, one of the reasons we should demand clean and respectable private lives of our leaders is not only for the purposes of character—but because bad behavior can expose them (and us) to illicit influence.

    In the Hulk Hogan case, Davidson and his client would be investigated by both the FBI and the Tampa Police Department (and later sued by Hogan and Charles Harder). For unknown reasons they were not prosecuted in either case, but everyone I’ve interviewed who interacted with them found the dealings with Davidson to be chilling and disgusting. This is a man who makes his living exploiting the most private moments of famous and powerful people—and as you can see in the transcripts of the FBI sting, treats the exchanges no differently than you or I might treat selling a bag of golf clubs on Craigslist. This is also a man who needs recruits or deceives news-hungry reporters and bloggers to do his work.

    There was a moment in that exchange between Davidson and Hogan that strikes me as significant in retrospect. In the hotel room at the Sandpearl in Clearwater in 2012, Florida shortly before the tapes traded hands, Davidson excused himself to use the restroom, leaving the tapes unguarded on the bed. Hulk Hogan would tell me how in this moment, it occurred to him how easily he could have grabbed them and broken them in half, then kicked in the bathroom door and done the same to the man who had been so stupid as to give him the opportunity. He resisted, telling himself that justice would run its course. That’s what the half dozen officers in the room next door were there for. So he didn’t, and when the FBI and US Attorney’s officially declined to press charges 7 months later, he would come to rue his restraint.

    Now, we can imagine, that Donald Trump, a man who had not been shy in his criticism of the FBI, has another reason to hate the agency currently investigating him for a bungled conspiracy of his own.

    Ryan Holiday is the author of Conspiracy: Peter Thiel, Hulk Hogan, Gawker, and the Anatomy of Intrigue, which will be released on March 6th, 2018.

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    Jared Kushner was told by U.S. intelligence officials that his family friend, Rupert Murdoch’s ex-wife Wendi Deng Murdoch, might be trying to help the Chinese government. That is according to a bombshell report from the Wall Street Journal.

    The report, citing unnamed U.S. officials, said that Wendi Murdoch might have been trying to assist the Chinese government through several projects, including a construction project at the National Arboretum in Washington D.C.

    Rupert and Wendi Deng Murdoch are friends of Kushner and his wife, Ivanka Trump, who are both senior advisers to President Donald Trump. Even after the Murdoch’s divorced in 2013, Wendi Murdoch remained close to Trump family, vacationing with Ivanka shortly before the 2016 election and visiting her Washington home after Trump took office.

    Deng Murdoch, who is Chinese-American, was not directly accused of a crime according to the report. Instead, the Wall Street Journal described the warning by intelligence officials as “part of an effort by national-security officials to highlight to Mr. Kushner, who was new to government, the need to be careful in his dealings with people.”

    The National Arboretum plan included the building of a Chinese Garden and a 70 foot-tall tower that could be used for surveilling Washington, intelligence officials worried.

    A spokesman for Deng Murdoch told the paper that she did not know about the Arboretum project, which has been cancelled.

    Deng Murdoch has also been rumored to have had relationships with several high profile politicians, including former U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair, and even Russian President Vladimir Putin, relationships that would be of interest to intelligence officials.

    Kushner himself has faced questions about his meeting with Kremlin-tied officials, including Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak; Sergey Gorkov, who heads a Russian bank; and Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Russian lawyer who met with Kushner and other Trump campaign staff members in a now infamous Trump Tower meeting.

    Those meetings and others came out after Kushner was forced to repeatedly revise his security clearance forms due to new disclosures, and by the end of 2017 he still didn’t have a permanent clearance.
  14. Czer

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    guys I have all the leftist facts what do I do with them, where are the right facts
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  16. Kilinitic

    Kilinitic 6,000 feet beyond man and time

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    idk dude kinda skeptical about any significant fred trump/frankie yale/al capone connection
  17. Czer

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    Just so you understand he's aggregating documents and articles from legitimate sources.

    idk why would criminal organizations do business with each other, I don't think it was intended to be this deep, this is just what happens when you elect someone connected to the mob and people link reports or public information.

    I mean you already have manafort and gates who are def mob and have been indicted on it, also mob boss dude wants them.... so take it from there Mueller?

    How else do you think investigations works. You get/take information that is provably connected, right. Since facts mean different things to different people at this point, explanations really don't mean anything.
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  18. Kilinitic

    Kilinitic 6,000 feet beyond man and time

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    i just mean that it seems unlikely there is a web of evidence of any crimes that link fred trump (and thus donald trump) + al capone in a substantial way. the dates they were born/died when and where they lived + what yr they went to jail, etc just makes it seem unlikely. Might as well make a dumb web for the kilinitic-hitler-nexus.

    im not trying to stay the entire web is wrong, or that it doesn't help elucidate the trump-mafia connection, but idk some of those inclusions might be stretching it is all i mean. like, sure, 'heres all these bad people and their connections to each other' (by connection I don't mean the WHYs which this graphic doesn't explain, just the HOWs) isn't a reasonable way to draw conclusions about some individual who may be tangentially related 2 all the others in some way. You could do the same thing for jesus.

    edit: i'd just like a cool trump/mafia web connection graphic w/ a little more substance
  19. Czer

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    You could do it for anyone, yes.

    It's worse if there is criminal activity.

    Other governments are probably leaking things also to counter Russia etc.
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