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General Discussion / Re: Classic/Vanilla WoW PvP Server
« on: June 12, 2015, 03:02:19 PM »
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General Discussion / Re: R.I.P. Christopher Lee
« on: June 11, 2015, 11:10:38 PM »
The Man With the Golden Gun was my favorite Bond movie when I was young =[

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 11, 2015, 05:08:39 PM »
Sear I think you and I are just talking largely about different stuff here. I don't really disagree with much of your defense of the things *that* happened, but what I'm talking about is more about *how* they happened. If you gave me a rough outline of the plot points of this episode beforehand I'd've looked at it and said "yeah, ok, I can see why all these things are happening and it makes sense."

Shireen's death doesn't bug me, and I agree that the show didn't have time for a long protracted treatment of Stannis's inner dialogue (I also agree with you that I don't think he's a badly written character on the show). What bothers me is that because of the super tiresome, check-off-the-boxes-as-you-go formulaic leadup stuff (making plans with Onion Knight, tortured ironic dialog with Stannis) presentation, I'm unable to focus on the show because I'm too distracted by the hand of the writer being shoved in my face the whole time. It was the same thing with Barriston. The second he and Khaleesi had that lighthearted scene where they bond over talking about some other Targaryan singing in a popper's outfit, you know he's a deadman. It's been done. In earlier seasons I felt like occurrences had a more natural--not necessarily more unpredictable, but more deadpan--feel to them because no one was sitting in a conference room saying "I feel like we can make this pack more punch if we do x, y, z"

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 11, 2015, 04:59:07 PM »
AD:

if the dragon snapping was intended to keep us in suspense then i agree it was kind've lame but i guess i didn't really interpret it that way in context. it just seemed like a token acknowledgement that the dragon's obv p pissed what w/ spears all in it & aggressors everywhere + dany's control over it is still being developed

'who cares?' wasn't meant as 'why are you disappointed it's worse than usual?'; it was specifically about the obvious foreshadowing. i don't see how that worsens that show at all, so long as it's not used all the time

relatedly i wasn't trying to give GoT a pass for having done better before, or argue that it should try to become predictably unpredictable; i'm arguing that several of the events you're complaining about aren't entirely determined by their foreshadowing. (ignoring thread spoilers) it's not clear what olly's gonna do, just that he's pissed at jon snow and that will probably matter somehow. (ignoring that we've already seen the episode) it has been pretty unclear at least until the scene where he's basically telling her what he's going to do whether stannis is willing to sacrifice his daughter. (ignoring that the episode's over) it's not clear whether daarios braggadacio was intended to backfire---it seems just as plausible that he could've been right and this would've marked the beginning of him meddling in dany's political affairs more directly by shitting on her fiancee.

it would definitely *not* be good for them to clearly hint at exactly the expected outcome and then flip a coin to decide whether or not do actually do it (i.e. being predictably unpredictable), but i don't think that's what they've been doing. the hints have been vague enough to leave the expected outcome undetermined

edit: where were the dragons revered as invincible? we know dragons have been slain b4, i think there have been specific conversations about her current dragons still being pretty tiny whelp-dragons, & all it took was some big chains to lock up her # 2 and # 3 dragons. i think they've been established as hard to control and dangerous but nothing like invincible in their current form

I feel like you're getting a little fixated on the specific examples I threw out, and that's my fault for being specific, I suppose. The contents of that rant are not so much included as the examples of the exact things that make the show terrible (and to be clear I'm not saying it's terrible, here), but rather the result of my trying desperately to locate exactly what I was supposed to find interesting or meritworthy about this episode. My writing about them wasn't to say that they were mis-steps, but just to illustrate how I feel they fell short of being so.

As for the foreshadowing thing, I know what you're saying re: Olly's foreshadowing and obvious outcomes (just forget the Daario thing. It doesn't matter whether that was or wasn't obvious in the lead-up. One of two things was gonna happen, and they took the cheesy obvious outcome. But again, that's fine. See the above paragraph re: why I mention that scene at all. It doesn't matter.) I just feel like this sorta will-he-won't he is an easy, lazy way to keep people in suspense. It doesn't matter whether it's 100% clear whether he's gonna do whatever he's gonna do. Having him lurking there like a loaded gun so that we're supposed to sit here wringing our hands wondering when the drama's gonna break--while it *does* actually create tension, does so in the same way that adding a "ding" at level-up adds gratification to a game. There's nothing clever or interesting about it, it just plays on easily-manipulated, deep-rooted human heartstrings.

I feel like the show managed to be really strikingly interesting largely without falling back on this type of stuff we've all seen a million times before up until this season, is all.

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 11, 2015, 04:15:28 PM »
You can't write off my criticisms of the show as being rooted in the thematics of the thing. The show has had the same fantasy trappings for five seasons, and the last four of them were brilliant, and i've by-and-large enjoyed the show till now. You also can't just dismiss me as a raging neckbeard (especially in the same breath that you say my problem is I'm annoyed by all the fantasy stuff) I haven't even read the books. It's not neckbearding; "hipstering" maybe, but you should expect that from me by now.

You can see my response to Agrul re the use of "plot twist". My point is that if these things are supposed to add (I should say, 'introduce') tension, they don't.

I'm not unused to being disagreed with by IMDB and rotten tomatoes. A show that's gotten this popular can pretty easily stay this popular by simply not screwing the pooch too hard at any one point in time. Hell, the next episode could be nothing but a bunch of naked chicks slaughtering infants from dragonback while being raped and half the fans would probably rate it at least a 60%.


I'm not dismissing you as a raging neckbeard. I don't think you are. But that post seemed more forced and I-want-to-hate-this than genuine, so I had to mention that. That is largely a matter of opinion anyway, so I don't claim to be more correct in mine.

We have to agree to disagree on your belief that those things didn't add tension. I thought Selyse reacting the way she did made the damn scene, personally, and it hit me in the gut even harder. Aside from the Dorne shit, I really believe they're doing a better job than we're giving them credit for.

In the books the Sons of the Harpy don't openly attack at the Pit of Drazak (because they would get fucked up in open combat, they're just noblemen), Drogon just shows up in the middle of the arena and starts eating gladiator corpses. Then he starts spitting fire at the arena guards that come to attack him and the whole crowd panics and starts to stampede. Dany doesn't really have any choice except to take off on Drogon or else he and a big chunk of the city are going to end up dead. Also Selmy still isn't dead and he takes over.

I love Selmy but would you take him over Tyrion?

I'm guessing Selmy checks out in the 6th book and Tyrion finally meets up with Daenerys (after a meandering story arc of passing through slavers and minor characters and long boat rides).

I don't think Drogon showing up to eat random gladiators would have been as good. I didn't mind that viewers had to sweat a little bit as characters we actually give a shit about were in danger at the hands of a threat that had been established earlier in the season.

Fair enough dude.

You're right in that the frenetic outrage is a bit contrived for the sake of my own entertainment. These things occur to me (despite, to echo Harper, my most honest effort to continue enjoying myself) while watching the show, but with a few notable exceptions they mostly roll off my back as I'm watching. It's those notable exceptions (like the one Harper just discussed--I felt almost exactly like him during that scene, from the sound of it) that annoy me and make me notice the other little things more in retrospect and then come here and FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 11, 2015, 03:52:40 PM »
Ageless I generally enjoy + appreciate your posts here, but I think that one crossed over the line between genuine criticism and over-the-top neckbearded cynicism. It was a little cringeworthy to read for me.

Those things weren't all even PLOT TWISTS, much less indicative of bad or lazy writing.

Selyse finally snapping out of her cold disregard and reacting to Shireen (albeit too late) was, in my opinion, good writing. Not only because it heightened the effect of what was happening, but because it fit the characters. Stannis will always do what he believes has to be done, at any expense necessary. You saw this all the way back in Season 2. Selyse hates both herself and her daughter because it's a reminder of her inability to give Stannis a proper heir. Yet she's still a mother at heart, and you get to see that when that horrific scene breaks her. If you see that all as cheesy and contrived, then I suppose to each his own. I thought it was effective and consistent.

The crowd I watch the show with all laughed at the scene with Daario. I thought it was funny.

Jorah can't spread his greyscale by touching someone with an unafflicted area.

People loved that scene with the dragon. If you're going to be cynical about a series that involves snow zombies and dragons, then yeah - you're going to continue hating it (and maybe that's more fun?). But it's kinda ridiculous to complain about the dragon scene being cheesy. She rides him in the book, too. It's not supposed to be a PLOT TWIST when she's unsure of whether he's going to eat her or not. Drogon is the volatile one - something they established in both the books and the show. There's no wacky plot twist going on there.

The episode has a 9.5 rating on IMDB currently and was critically praised. You have to allow yourself to actually enjoy it, though.
You can't write off my criticisms of the show as being rooted in the thematics of the thing. The show has had the same fantasy trappings for five seasons, and the last four of them were brilliant, and i've by-and-large enjoyed the show till now. You also can't just dismiss me as a raging neckbeard (especially in the same breath that you say my problem is I'm annoyed by all the fantasy stuff) I haven't even read the books. It's not neckbearding; "hipstering" maybe, but you should expect that from me by now.

You can see my response to Agrul re the use of "plot twist". My point is that if these things are supposed to add (I should say, 'introduce') tension, they don't.

I'm not unused to being disagreed with by IMDB and rotten tomatoes. A show that's gotten this popular can pretty easily stay this popular by simply not screwing the pooch too hard at any one point in time. Hell, the next episode could be nothing but a bunch of naked chicks slaughtering infants from dragonback while being raped and half the fans would probably rate it at least a 60%.

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 11, 2015, 03:35:31 PM »
I'm also a little baffled at how quickly the endlessly-revered-as-invincible, magical dragon was put into mortal peril by a few spear chuckers.

And where the fuck was the rest of Khaleesi's guard that they spent half a season propping up as being nigh-flawless combatants? Were they *all* killed off so silently that none failed to notice and cause a commotion to protect her before Jorah--who was just fighting off six dudes for his life 100 yards away spotted one dude creeping up even though he was clearly almost entirely obscured by Khaleesi and Dario themselves from Jorah's perspective?

Christ the more I think about it the more disappointed I am

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 11, 2015, 02:55:12 PM »
some of that stuff seems like whining for whining's sake tho. e.g. :

didn't seem clear at all that daario would be the one who's prediction was wrong, that could've easily gone either way and it seems like ur just scoffing in hindsight bc u can.

& dany's dragon had to at least show some anger at her, not to surprise or scare the audience but bc immediate total subservience would be obv inconsistent w/ the narrative so far. it would've been an interesting surprise if she'd been permanently injured during her full taming of the black dragon or something but i don't see what's wrong w/ a little dragon deus ex machina in a fantasy series where dragons w/ a magical girl who controls them are a central element

shireen/olly/trant-arya events all seem rlly obviously foreshadowed but who cares? what's wrong w/ some occasionally obvious foreshadowing pal. esp in a show that's upset expectations plenty of times. w/o in-thread spoilers here i don't think it would be obvious at all what olly's final decision would be, despite it being obvious what kind of a decision he'll face

on the whole this season is of substantially lower quality than the last few but it's still p enjoyable

As far as the dragon snapping at Dany: that is sort of whining for whining's sake, but the point of my \ including it is not that it should not have happened, but rather that, if that's what's supposed to be keeping me on the edge of my seat this season, it falls pretty far short of what I've come to expect from the show. Same with the Dario thing (which was very obvious to me, anyway)--it doesn't bother me that that's there but that that's what's supposed to pass for wit in this season. Compare it to some of the exchanges between Little Finger and Varis in seasons 1 and 2 and see how far the apple's fallen.

Re: "Who cares?" you're basically asking why I would be disappointed that a show has failed to clear the bar it set for itself for the past four seasons. I only watch the show because it clears that bar consistently. That it did so in the past doesn't give it a pass to become lazy and predictable (or predictably unpredictable* which is often worse). And to be clear I don't think that this has suddenly become the WORST SHOW EVER or anything, but it has previously been exceptional and now it just feels like some fasttracked network TV shit, albeit maybe still slightly above average (owing mostly to momentum).

I'm glad, as always, that you can still enjoy it, but I for once would like not to be disappointed after becoming invested in a TV series.

edit for *: by 'predictably unpredictable' I mean the modern trend of sending very clear signals that a thing (usually a thing that *would* have been considered a plot twist 20 years ago) will happen and then having that thing pointedly *not* happen (often having nothing at all happen in its place, so that everything that does happen seems pointless). See Mad Men for endless examples of this.

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 11, 2015, 12:43:19 PM »
"Do you think we had Olly frown at Jon Snow from far away and explain that wildlings killed his parents enough times to be ready for tomorrow?"

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 11, 2015, 11:43:02 AM »
I largely agree with San and Harper and am glad I'm not alone.

The persistent brutality doesn't bother me as a thing in itself but the fact that it seems to be being used at this point as a substitute for good writing does.

The last episode was pretty solid (barring the obvious mother-separates-from-kids-so-kids-or-mom-must-die trope, and the aforementioned corny dramatic pause when they revealed the dead children), but this one was packed with tired tropes.

Jorah throws a spear at the queen?? No way?! But wait, it's actually at a bad guy? And there are lots of them?? Be still my heart. Let's also have a nice close up of Jorah touching Khaleesi's hand in case you missed that he has crab-skin condition or whatever and he just gave it to her (and she gave it to her handmaiden).

Shireen's gonna die so we need to have at least three minutes of screen time in which we remind the audience that they like her and that at least one other character we like is attached to her, and also they should make future plans together. Make sure to include lots of dramatic irony when her dad reveals to us (but not to her! [although if you read between the lines, he sort of did tell her! *wink*]) that he's decided to kill her.

PLOT TWIST! The shitty mom who hated her the whole time is the one who breaks down at her death instead of somewhat sympathetic Stannis. Bet you thought you had this whole thing figured out before now. We gave our whole writing staff a raise for that one.

And boy! Didn't Dario have egg on his face when that big guy beat that little guy after he bragged for several minutes about being sure that wouldn't happen? We like to keep things light around here when we can.

Gee, I wonder how that brothel in Bravos is going to find a 'fresh one' for Meryn Trant. And I wonder if that fresh one is going to kill him instead of the person that poison was supposedly meant for (bonus points if it was really meant for Trant all along)(or maybe she'll fail and he'll just rape her too. PLOT TWIST)

And don't forget to top it all off with a cheesy close up of Khaleesi telepathically summoning her dragon (PLOT TWIST he's gonna eat her too! WAIT PLOT TWIST AGAIN, HE'S NOT!) and then riding off into the sunset (with more bonus cheesy closeup) and leaving all her allies to be slaughtered or captured for ransom back in the middle of the pit if the people attacking had any brains.

I don't care whether it's the books' fault or the show's fault--the writing is not what it used to be on this show. It's not (entirely) so much the plot points as it is the style. Shireen's gonna burn? Ok, I can see why that makes sense as a thing to have happen in this story. But spare me the 90s prime time drama set up.

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General Discussion / Re: Mad Max [spoilers lurk here]
« on: June 10, 2015, 04:42:05 PM »
Should I download Ex Machina while it's still in the theater


fify
yeah I wound up popcorn timing it. watched like 20 min--not sorry so far that I didn't see it in the the'ter. Kinda feel like it's obvious where it's going but I'll give it a chance

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Spamalot / Re: Skars is mad
« on: June 08, 2015, 01:26:32 PM »
he wanted to do it because it's an important movie

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General Discussion / Re: Classic/Vanilla WoW PvP Server
« on: June 08, 2015, 11:47:02 AM »
It's time to chase the dragon

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General Discussion / Re: Big Trouble in Little China (Remake)
« on: June 07, 2015, 01:57:50 PM »
I have a hard time imagining it could be bad enough to ding the enjoyability of the original. That definitely happened with, say, the Star Wars prequels for me, but I think that was only possible there because those were supposed to be canon and exist alongside the originals. Indiana Jones 4 and 5 could have the same result, but with a complete remake like this, if you don't like the new one you can just pretend it doesn't exist.

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General Discussion / Re: Big Trouble in Little China (Remake)
« on: June 06, 2015, 10:57:57 PM »
Never watched the first one can't stand Kurt Russell

Everyone's entitled to their opinion but if you don't think Tombstone is one of the best films ever made your opinion is wrong

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still cracks me up

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He has always said that tho

i do also wonder where taket went

AD I like your new portrait with Euler and your gf, and I thank God every day Euler is free to walk this blue planet, not bludgeoned or pinned by a garage door.

yeah I guess that does ring a bell

I remember the first time I posted a picture--or one of the times shortly thereafter that you did--someone said we look alike but that's an odd thing to remember a poster by

I guess if you didn't have avatars or sigs on we would just both be frequently-posting daums (redundant) whose handles start with A to the undiscerning eye

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General Discussion / Re: This is some scary stuff...
« on: June 06, 2015, 12:26:49 AM »
This is one of the few things I find genuinely frightening. A free society requires some degree of truth to function.

Maybe it's just me being an American but that is less chilling to me than Fox news, but for similar reasons.

I haven't read the article but from the tldr this sounds much more troubling than Fox News to me

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well I don't expect other places to do it *because* of overpopulation in those cities obviously

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"Are people really moving in any significant number to CO or OR due to marijuana decriminalization?" is a harder question to answer, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that Portland and Denver are blowing up right now and I can't imagine this is gonna help.

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they need to hurry the fuck up and fix this everywhere else and take the pressure off the few places where it's already legal.

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General Discussion / Re: The Rise of Developeronomics
« on: June 05, 2015, 01:17:17 PM »
thought this was gonna be about real estate developers

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In the latest step towards transplantable bioengineered parts, researchers have built rat forelimb tissue – complete with working blood vessels and muscle fibers – in the lab. After they transplanted the biolimb into a recipient rat, the blood vessels filled with circulating blood, and the muscles even flexed the rat’s wrists and the joints in its paws.

For people who have lost a limb, transplants could help to improve the quality of life. But this also means having to take immunosuppressant drugs so that their bodies don’t attack the donated parts. That’s why a lot research has focused on using the patients’ own stem cells to regenerate their own replacement tissues, but what’s been missing so far is the scaffold (or matrix) to provide shape and support for growing cells as they become the complex tissues that make up a limb.

So, a team led by Massachusetts General Hospital’s Harald Ott tried stripping away cells from an existing rat forelimb and then repopulating the remaining matrix with progenitor cells. This decellularization technique has previously been used to build bioartificial organs like kidneys, livers, hearts, and lungs in animals, but engineering tissues for a bioartifical limb is a different kind of task.

“The composite nature of our limbs makes building a functional biological replacement particularly challenging,” Ott explains in a news release. “Limbs contain muscles, bone, cartilage, blood vessels, tendons, ligaments, and nerves – each of which has to be rebuilt and requires a specific supporting structure called the matrix.”

First, they used a detergent to strip all the cellular material from forelimbs taken off deceased rats, but they made sure to keep the primary vasculature and nerve matrix. They spent a week removing all the cellular debris. Meanwhile, muscle and blood vessel progenitor cells were cultured separately. When the forelimb matrix was cell-free, the team suspended it in a bioreactor that provides a nutrient solution and electrical stimulation to promote growth (pictured to the right).

Vascular cells were injected into the limb’s main artery to regenerate veins and arteries, while muscle cells were injected directly into sheaths within the matrix that help define each muscle (pictured above). Two to three weeks later, when the forelimb was taken out of the bioreactor, the team looked for the presence of vascular cells along the blood vessel walls and muscle cells properly aligned throughout the muscle matrix.

To see if the new limb was functional, they applied electrical stimulation to the muscle fibers, which contracted with a strength that’s 80 percent of what you’d expect from a newborn rat. After the limb was transplanted into recipient rats, the vascular system quickly filled with blood that continued to circulate. With a bit of stimulation, the muscles within the graft flexed the rats’ wrists and the digital joints of the rats’ paws.

Next up, regrowing nerves! The work appears in the latest issue of Biomaterials.

www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/researchers-built-rat-forelimb-tissue-lab

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 03, 2015, 12:14:08 PM »
Also, I like Amy Schumer a lot.

Inside Amy Schumer is often pretty funny

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Look I'm not saying a dude has to literally go down w/his ship.... but in the Korea Ferry thing, Italian cruise liner thing, and now this - it sounds like the captains are almost the first ones off while everyone else drowns/sinks.

They're usually among the first to know + in the best position to cheese it

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 01, 2015, 04:08:51 PM »
I keep wondering why Sansa Stark is taller than everyone else in the show. She looks to be Brienne's size. It's weird having her look down to speak to Theon and Ramsay

They probably don't have the time to get all LotR with the camera tricks to play down that actress's actual height. She's almost 6' tall irl--they probably just didn't expect her to grow that much when they cast her.

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General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S5 (spoilers)
« on: June 01, 2015, 01:55:46 PM »
Definitely a solid episode. I agree with this

Knew wildling milf was gonna die as soon as they showed the scene putting her daughters on the boat. Was kind of silly just having her freeze in panic and just letting the zombie kids rush her. Some writer must have thought they were clever coming up with that idea but it felt like something out of a cheesy horror movie.

completely, but lots of stuff this season has made me feel that way and this was probably the least offensive.

Rest of the episode definitely made up for it.

But what up with Jorah? Think he's gonna try to kill khaleesi now? Why else would he wanna fight in front of her again? Maybe he hopes he can get pity because he's gonna become a giant scab soon?

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