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Spamalot / Re: Shrink visit.
« on: June 28, 2016, 07:01:25 PM »
If it's just a shrink giving you meds, you should seen a therapist, too. Drugs alone won't get it done, though it may help get you started.

General Discussion / Re: spammer in our midst
« on: June 28, 2016, 06:57:14 PM »
But ALSO, you should read To Reign in Hell by Steven Brust. I've recommend this book every time there's been a book recommendation thread in the last ten years and afaik no one else here has read it. It's quick, well-written and entertaining. I've read it like six times and everyone I lend it to winds up enjoying it.

Never read that one, but read his Taltos books. I read several, but I don't remember them being awesome. The plot sounds interesting. If I start reading again, maybe I'd start there.

nice piece, thanks.

I am studying for the bar right now and can't really expend energy on this. I appreciate this thread though because this case has an impact on the Exclusionary Rule and police burdens in Terry stops.

I like SCOTUSblog's coverage of Supreme Court opinions. Here's their coverage on the opinion posted last night

cool link. thanks.

I've always started in first gear with the clutch engaged.  I'm pretty sure that's normal?  Or have I been doing it wrong my whole life?

Neutral is used for long idling in a stick shift, so you don't need to keep the clutch down.  I'd guess in an automatic, you'd need to keep your foot on the brake if not in neutral, so would use neutral for the same reason?

It's harder to hold down the clutch than the brake.  Neutral helps with standard idling.  Neutral is needed if you need to push a car, and it can be helpful on hills.  Often times I will put it in neutral if I need to back up on a steep hill. 

This is probably an inappropriate thread to tell this story, but when I was a kid, I lived for a short time on a farm in GA.  I was only 14 at the time, but because the area was so rural, my dad let me drive his truck.  One day, my buddy and I went to go drop something off, and when we were coming home, he said, "Speed up, and pop the truck into neutral when you get to the top of this hill and see how far you can get."  So I sped up, and when I went to pop it into neutral, it skipped through into reverse.  The whole truck engine just seized up and shut off, and I slid to a halt.  I couldn't turn the ignition to take the key out.  I was freaking out. I knew my dad was going to kill me.  Inexplicably, after about 10 minutes, the truck started up and I was able to drive home.  I didn't say I word to my dad, but I was almost certain I ruined the transmission.

2 days later, I kid you not, my dad walks in and he's pissed.  He tells my mom, "We're going to need to put a new transmission in the truck."  I was instantly guilt ridden, and was hoping he didn't know what happened.  She asked him why.  I was kind of lurking around the corner, but he told her, "Well, me and Duke (the father of my buddy) were coming over that hill and he told me to throw it in neutral to see how far we would go and it skipped into reverse....

That happened.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Best story ever.

General Discussion / Re: Game of Thrones S6 [Spoilers]
« on: June 23, 2016, 03:10:42 PM »
Sear great last couple of posts. Agree completely, thanks.

Spamalot / Re: TzT is actually dead?
« on: June 23, 2016, 02:49:52 PM »
the pungent aroma of months-old cum, neckbeard BO, and whatever cheap ass cologne you know that guy in the front is wearing


General Discussion / Re: Landmark released on steam for 10 bux
« on: June 15, 2016, 08:23:50 PM »
i think so yah. the pre-hilarity idea seemed to be to use it to get players to generate art assets for their world

there were people building crazy awesome shit with it.

General Discussion / Re: Warcraft
« on: June 11, 2016, 03:56:00 PM »
Eh, no one made an eq movie

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That's why there aren't any good video game movies. The "Time to Slay The Dragon" commercial puts them all to shame.

General Discussion / Re: Sorry Bern
« on: June 11, 2016, 03:50:17 PM »
I never understood the term liberal media. These guys are as cutthroat capitalist as it gets, and do whatever necessary to get their ratings. They just happen to lean the way that earns them the most.

That is the defense anyone conservative would make if it was reversed.

Spamalot / Re: Handling every software company position
« on: June 11, 2016, 12:28:39 AM »
do it

automate what you can. I cut our onboarding time in half with bash and powershell scripting.

Spamalot / Re: Handling every software company position
« on: June 10, 2016, 11:57:35 PM »

Oh, and for the record, I would have done the exact same thing as a 28 year old in 1975. If I am honest with myself, probably the same in 2001, when I was 28.

And, 40 years ago, victim blaming was the norm. Hell, I'd say say it's only more like in the last 10, maybe 15 at most, years where you would have even heard the term victim blame/shame. This may not be the middle east, but we aren't that far off as we like to pat ourselves on the back for.

Yeah, it looks like the prosecution fucked up and she was just doing her job.

What I don't like is how she was laughing about it.

I also don't like how slow she talks. Was infuriating to listen to that clip. And she adds so many extra useless fucking details to her story like most women do.

according to the snopes article posted, the laughing is taken out of context in the current Facebook version - basically it's been spliced to look horrible. If you go back to the original, she was laughing about the fallacy of a "lie detector" test. She laughed after saying that it basically changed the way she viewed the truth of a polygraph

So your handling of "doing the best job you can" in this scenario would have been the same?

I recognize the binding to law and duty (which is supposed to be a robotic constant even though it's really not, but I digress), so I suppose we're just talking about the zeal of a defense here.

As Jong mentioned, the rape shield law didn't come into effect until after this case. It was standard practice to do what she did. At the end of the day, the law only works if you don't throw cases, on either side of the isle. Most, if not all, lawyers would have done the same. As I said you risk censure or disbarment if you don't do your job, especially as a woman in 1975, where you would have been under more pressure to do what a man would do.

yeah, sounds like she was just being a zealous advocate for her client. Also sounds like the victim's lawyer was shitty and didn't stand up for her adequately, or she did and the victim is omitting that part of the story.

The "rape shield" rule of evidence (FRE 412) was not introduced until 1978. It protects victims from having to defend their sexual reputations/have evidence about their sexual history made public. Before 1978, well, this is just how rape cases were defended.

Would you have gone to the same lengths (including the polygraph, attacking a 12-year old rape victim's character to make her appear slutty, and getting top-shelf forensic talent to counter the mishandled evidence) if you knew that your client was guilty?

That is the scenario we are looking at. I'd think that, at some point, this wouldn't just be about your duty/obligation as a lawyer.

When you take a case as a defense lawyer, you don't ask them if they did it. Honestly, it's irrelevant. What's relevant is the handling of the case, the processing of the defendant, and how the law says it should be done. If you become aware during your case that they are guilty, you are still bound by law to provide the best defense you can. You can asked to recused, but the judge most likely wouldn't allow it. So, it's either do the best job you can, or be disbarred and never be a lawyer again.

interesting point. thx jong.

General Discussion / Re: Sorry Bern
« on: June 08, 2016, 01:05:36 PM »
Who cares, the media should have no fidelity to anything but the facts.

inform + educate

General Discussion / Re: Sorry Bern
« on: June 08, 2016, 12:22:33 PM »
I think it is fair to say that the media isn't an unbiased bystander and they often shape the story (i.e. bend the truth to serve their purpose) or contribute to the story (alter events by their own action).   This is true far beyond the political world.     It's probably why Zimmerman is walking around free.    Hillary definitely came into the election with home field advantage as far as the press is concerned, but she also had a decade+ of the republicans trying to build a "hillary is corrupt" persona, something that Sanders (like a good politician) latched onto with his own spin machine.     Both the good and the bad of it are a result of being a prominent person in the political cog for so long.   

I don't think the AP story had any real impact on Tuesday.  Sanders supporters have been told by the media that he has virtually no shot at the nomination for weeks now and it hasn't kept them from turning out to vote. 


I would disagree that it didn't have affect. There are still plenty of people who don't take the time to educate themselves - I am admittedly one of them, as I didn't know about the primary process as much before this cycle - and would believe the "liberal media would be telling the 100% truth for the liberal party.

SSALAM - I can recall numerous stories getting mainstream attention that involved non-white perpetrators.  The bus gang rape in India (someone even posted the video of the attacker interviews on this board), the two teens in Alaska, the raping of Mexico factory workers.  College campus stories may get a disproportionate amount of attention, but the issue of rape culture cannot be reduced to a progressive attack on whites.  The white-male-as-victim movement doesn't have any place in this one.

My complaint was not that there was never differing accounts of rape, just that the outrage tends to be fixated on a specific, political narrative.  Rapes are, as you said, disproportionately focused on school rapes, be it high school or college, with the most national outcry coming when it's centered around affluent whites or college athletes.  Duke Lacross, Mattress Girl, Rolling Stones, Jameis Winston (which, imo, had more to do with college football rankings than anything), just to name a few that have stood out the last year or two.  All of which, btw, have been proven to be either false or, at the very least, have so little evidence that they couldn't even get to an indictment, but, man, can they drum up some outrage.   

Other stories come out at a local level, but rarely gain the national spotlight.  Why not?  Could it be that it can't rile up either the left or the right in a manner that would make money for the national media?  Formula for success:  Find a story that fits a narrative, run it, profit.  If people become outraged, it will sell itself.  It's best when it already fits an agenda.  It's best when it can be slanted left.  Fox follows the same formula, but for the right.  You know what?  I get just as annoyed at the idiots on the right who keep propping up this corrupt system.  Outrage sells, man. 

Look, if I thought anyone actually cared about the victim more than the opportunity to reinforce a narrative, I wouldn't say anything.  I just don't.  Don't get me wrong, I know all of you "care" about the victim.  However, I don't think this would have been posted if it didn't fit the narrative, first.  That was the call to action, not the injustice of the sentencing. 

Let me put it this way, would a case about a black man in the ghetto getting a light sentence for raping a black woman working at McDonalds be likely to be posted on this board?  Maybe.  If the media cared enough to report a story like that, but they wouldn't.  This particular story gains national attention because of the leftist belief that rape culture has run amok on college campuses.  While it does happen, it's is not nearly as common as it is presented, and, more importantly, will be forgotten about as soon as the media can profit off something else, which is what my initial aside was all about.  This is not an unreasonable position or statement. 

Ssalam, you seemed to come out swinging in your initial approach to the discussion, blaming politics - and maybe there is a little to that - but it seems like here you are realizing that, and this is where I would agree with you, it's more of a media issue. I think you understand that we (or most of us here) care about the victim, and all victims, but wouldn't it also be logical that if we don't see it from the media, we may not be aware of it for further outrage? And, since at least it was posted here where we have semi-private commentary, it makes more sense for people to feel safe enough to actually speak their mind.

story about the two swedish grad students that stopped the swimmer

I'm not really down with this turning into a selective internet lynch mob, which is what seems to happen whenever something goes viral.

This guy almost certainly does deserve more severe punishment (+ the judge recalled and his dipshit father/friends reprimanded), but that needs to be accomplished through reasonable means.

Some friend of his (Leslie Rasmussen) wrote an admittedly cringeworthy and ignorant letter to the judge defending him. She is getting absolutely crucified for it, including a boycott on the band she's in, personal attacks, etc. That seems way out of proportion to me. She's an idiot and needs to be corrected, but not like this.

link to that?

the letter his friend Leslie wrote is here

It was with great sadness that I read the news about Brock Turner, and the horrible situation that he was involved in. It came as a huge shock to me.

Brock has been a peer of mine since elementary school, and was a very close friend of mine for a few years in high school. He dated one of my very good friends, [name removed], around the same time. In those years, he was always very respectful of everyone. Teachers, classmates, friends, and girls, all alike. He is one of those people that no one has a problem with, and is pretty much good at everything. We all knew heís swim in the olympics one day.

His family is a very respectable family in town. I also know his older sister, Caroline. They all seem like such good kids brought up by two very cool and grounded parents. In all honestly, if I ha to choose one kid I graduated with to be in the position Brock is, it would have never been him. I could name off 5 others that I wouldnít be surprised about. Brock is such a sweetheart and a very smart kid. I never once caught him harassing anyone, verbally of physically. That would have been out of his character.

Itís pretty frustrating to see the light that people are putting him in now. It used to be ďswim starĒ and now itís like he is the face of rape on campuses. Itís such a false way to put it. I cannot believe it. Iíve thought a lot about it, and from different angles. I tried to accept that maybe he did intend to harm this girl, but I just couldnít imagine that was the case.

I know rape is a very sensitive subject, for everyone, and especially women. I am not backing it up or making excuses, but there is absolutely no way Brock went out that night with rape on his mind. I think he went to a party and was drinking, like almost every student at a university does, and was flirting with this girl, like he said. The woman recalls how much alcohol she drank, which was a lot. She was no doubt about to black out if not already. Iím sure she and Brock has been flirting at this party and decided to leave together.

Just as they did she passes out, which after that many drinks, anyone would. At the same time, Brock, having a few too many drinks himself, is not completely in control of his emotions. It doesnít take a rocket scientist to know that alcohol increases emotions and feelings. I think this is all a huge misunderstanding. I think that the bikers who found him did the right thing by keeping him there in case he was attempting rape, but that after the investigation, it should have found Brock to be innocent.

Brock is not a monster. He is the furthest thing from anything like that, and I have known him much longer than the people involved in his case. I donít think itís fair to base the fate of the next ten+ years of his life on the decision of a girl who doesnít remember anything but the amount she drank to press charges against him.

I am not blaming her directly for this, because that isnít right. But where do we draw the line and stop worrying about being politically correct every second of the day and see that rape on campuses isnít always because people are rapists. It is because these universities market themselves as the biggest party schools in the country. They encourage drinking. I think it is disgusting and I am so sick of hearing that these young men are monsters when really, you are throwing barely 20-somethings into these camp-like university environments, supporting partying, and then your mind is blown when things get out of hand. This is completely different from a woman getting kidnapped and raped as she is walking to her car in a parking lot. That is a rapist. These are not rapists.

These are idiot boys and girls having too much to drink and not being aware of their surroundings and having clouded judgment. Iím not saying that is every case because I know there are young men that take advantage of young women and vice versa, but I know for a fact that Brock is not one of those people. He is respectful and caring, talented, and smart enough to know better.
Attached is a photo of Brock I took in high school. He has always had that huge, loving smile on his face. The caption is even ďdíawwwwĒ because he was always the sweetest to everyone.

I appreciate you taking your time to hear about my past with Brock and my opinion on the matter, and I hope you consider what Iíve said when looking into the sentencing. I would not be writing this letter if I had any doubt in my mind that he is innocent.

Thank you again,
Leslie Rasmussen

edit: Here's the cancellation of her band's show:

This weekend, four Brooklyn venues were set to host The Good English, a trio of sisters from Oakwood, Ohio who've been described as "the lovechild of Nancy Sinatra and Black Sabbath" and were going to play several shows affiliated with the Northside music festival. But after it was revealed that drummer Leslie Rasmussen wrote a letter to Judge Aaron Persky defending convicted rapist and former Stanford swimmer Brock Turner, those venues were besieged by requests from New Yorkers asking them to cancel the band's appearances, and as of this afternoon, the band's Brooklyn tour has been completely scrapped.

Thanks Ags.

As for the Judge, I don't know if he should be recalled. I don't know his track record. If it turns out he's buds, or linked to the parents, he certainly deserves criticism.

As for the girl-supporter, yeah, I feel it's a bit cringe worthy as well, especially with the announcement that's he's "innocent." No way. He's definitely guilty - he admitted it - but I would at least not fall for the trap that he's a confirmed serial rapist either.

@Kanmuk - thanks for the breakdown of the "she shouldn't have" excuse. I do find myself falling into that trap, but I did realize that it feels circular too.

General Discussion / Re: Sorry Bern
« on: June 08, 2016, 11:40:54 AM »

How insightful, ya know if you would really look at that Kool aid you are slurping down so eagerly, you might realize she is only posing in your mouth.

Never been one to dabble in conspiracy theories peddled widely outside the mainstream, and I never will be.

fair enough, but as the article points out, there doesn't have to be collusion for it to be a problem.

Spamalot / Re: sleep paralysis
« on: June 08, 2016, 11:30:49 AM »
sleeping with your wife sounds terrifying

That was the worst it's ever been. An example of a mild one, would be her sitting up in the bed, out of nowhere. No sounds have been uttered and I barely wake up, to just pat her on the back and say it's OK. Then, she'll lay back down and go to sleep. Or, like 1-2 weeks ago, she started asking me weird/random questions in the middle of the night. After 2 rounds of me with "What?" she rolls over and goes back to sleep and we talk about the next morning if either of us remembers. It seems to be happening more lately, so I am assuming the pregnancy affects it. In previous years, it might only happen 4-5 times.

While I was originally pissed about the 6 months, he also has to register as a sex offender, so it's not like this just goes away either. I don't know if that's "enough" but it is something.

Spamalot / Re: sleep paralysis
« on: June 07, 2016, 05:20:04 PM »
God damn dude lol

I'm glad it translated from story time. It was hysterical. Our 100# Dane/Lab mix was dead asleep too until she pounded on the window. He blearily jumped up, and was ready to go to war if necessary - though still half asleep himself -while looking at me to see if it was "go time."

General Discussion / Re: Sorry Bern
« on: June 07, 2016, 05:15:30 PM »

I couldn't do my job right now without Concerta.  Full stop.

I'm probably the same, but I am not going to stop, then try reading 1000's of pages of tech papers to find out. I will fully admit that if I could try and keep up, I would suck at it.

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